Capacity v. Oversell

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I'm having a discussion with some OU fans who are asking me about the capacity of Neyland. I know it says 102,455 but do we oversell? I know that seems impossibly with assigned seating but I've heard others swear it'll get to 105K. It was also in some of their papers. Logic says only 102,455. I'm right, right?
 
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It's been a few years since I've been in town for a game, but there are areas of the stadium that are "standing room" (or at least there were). And there, you can cram in extra. I'm thinking specifically of the very top of the South side of the stadium, where there aren't even seats but they'll sell "spots" where you stand behind the last bench. I imagine that could get us over capacity by a little, and maybe more so if there are other places like that.

EDIT: I should say, south end of the stadium, but kind of beside the press/luxury boxes. So off to the side from the absolute south/jumbotron.
 
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The Fire Marshall says the maximum capacity is 102,455. They will never announce more than 102,455.

That doesn't mean there won't be more than that unofficially.
 
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There's a difference in the total number of seats and the number of people actually in the stadium. Have to count the players, coaches, vendors, etc
 
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The place OU fans are coming from on this issue is the fact that we are on a 15 year run of not just selling out but if exceeding capacity. We had 85K plus for Akron and our official capacity is 82K and change. We had 86,031 for ND in 2012. We have consistently exceeded capacity by 3-4% every year. We sell out for all opponents bad and good. We have around 67000 season ticket holders which is an extremely high % to capacity. And remember, there are barely north of 3 million people in the state and as schools go we are not that big.
 
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owenfieldreams said:
The place OU fans are coming from on this issue is the fact that we are on a 15 year run of not just selling out but if exceeding capacity. We had 85K plus for Akron and our official capacity is 82K and change. We had 86,031 for ND in 2012. We have consistently exceeded capacity by 3-4% every year. We sell out for all opponents bad and good. We have around 67000 season ticket holders which is an extremely high % to capacity. And remember, there are barely north of 3 million people in the state and as schools go we are not that big.
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The Vols had a nice run of exceeding capacity, but fire marshals have put an end to that. All sellouts will be 102,455 henceforth.

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102,455 is the seats. In the past in addition to the seats they counted players, coaches, cheerleaders, media, etc to get to the number. They don't do that any more they just announce seats sold, not how many are actually there. Saturday there will probably be about 103K total in the stadium.
 
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owenfieldreams said:
The place OU fans are coming from on this issue is the fact that we are on a 15 year run of not just selling out but if exceeding capacity. We had 85K plus for Akron and our official capacity is 82K and change. We had 86,031 for ND in 2012. We have consistently exceeded capacity by 3-4% every year. We sell out for all opponents bad and good. We have around 67000 season ticket holders which is an extremely high % to capacity. And remember, there are barely north of 3 million people in the state and as schools go we are not that big.
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That's about the same number we have for our Spring practice game.
 
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utvolpj said:
There's a difference in the total number of seats and the number of people actually in the stadium. Have to count the players, coaches, vendors, etc
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And usually a few hundred or so media members. But does the seating capacity include the luxury suites too?
 
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I think they oversell the student section, I've had the same ticket number as another student before.
 
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owenfieldreams said:
The place OU fans are coming from on this issue is the fact that we are on a 15 year run of not just selling out but if exceeding capacity. We had 85K plus for Akron and our official capacity is 82K and change. We had 86,031 for ND in 2012. We have consistently exceeded capacity by 3-4% every year. We sell out for all opponents bad and good. We have around 67000 season ticket holders which is an extremely high % to capacity. And remember, there are barely north of 3 million people in the state and as schools go we are not that big.
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67,000 is a spring game attendance number
 
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CMcEver said:
And usually a few hundred or so media members. But does the seating capacity include the luxury suites too?
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I believe that there are 16 seats in each Skybox. Three rows of four & four more chairs at the top. They would certainly count those.
 
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As others have pointed out, the fire marshall caps the attendance at seats sold with an official seating capacity at 102,455. Prior to that change in policy, the "largest" crowd to see a Vols game was 109,061 for Florida in 2004. At that time, Neyland's official seating capacity was 104,079.

With several minor adjustments relative to phasing of improvements, the current official seating capacity is 102,455. The 102,455 includes the number of seats in the executive suites. I would imagine that counting those who bought seats and who end up not going for whatever reasons compared to all the other persons not counted because they are players, coaches, service persons in the stadium, police, etc., the crowd likely will exceed 102,455.

Everyone cites the last biggest OC game at Neyland where the Vols was ranked as being Cal 2006. The Cal game attendance in 2006 was 106,009 when the official seating capacity was 102,037. Tennessee was ranked #23 for that game and Oklahoma was #12 or #9 depending upon the poll.
 
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tbulla said:
67,000 is a spring game attendance number
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That's about the same number of season tickets sold at UT.

As far as the 107K/ 108K figures, they were made up. There are about 97K seats in UT (upper and lower levels). The other 5.5K I assume are the sky boxes & press box.

Back when I was in school they issued a few SRO tickets in the S. Upper deck (GG,HH,II). But you couldn't issue "that" many additional tickets. Still, it was routinely packed back in the 80's & 90's.
 
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We used to always have over capacity but they for some reason cut it off at 102,455 a few yrs back. I don't guess they count the coaches, players, press, vendors, ushers, security, etc. anymore. Wish they still made it over cap.
 
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My freshman year (2004) the seating capacity was around 104,000. We played Florida at home and won on a 51 yard field goal. The announced attendance for that game was 109,400, the largest in the history of the stadium. There were 5,000 people in there standing room only. I don't know if they still do that or not, but it was a sight to see.
 
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volboy81 said:
We used to always have over capacity but they for some reason cut it off at 102,455 a few yrs back. I don't guess they count the coaches, players, press, vendors, ushers, security, etc. anymore. Wish they still made it over cap.
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I suspect it's all very boring stuff about fire departments and insurance coverage, and policies with codicils negating effect if rated capacity limits are exceeded, and blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah blah.

Just guessing, but it's an educated guess. :hi:
 
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