Canadian Unrest

[OrangeTsar]

Rumblings about a breakup increasing. The Western Provinces are NOT happy with the election results

 

[tbh]

Rumblings about a breakup increasing. The Western Provinces are NOT happy with the election results

When the rumblings from the central provinces are louder than the rumblings from the Quebequois, that's definitely interesting. I'd imagine Nunavut and the Yukon and Northwest territories could follow as well(?), or would they form sort of a confederation of First Nations groups?

That said, I'm not familiar with their constitution; how would they go about "leaving"?

 

[Orangeburst]

I have been following these musings pretty closely..you just cant have a gov disregard the oil and resources which affects their SOL. Carney is far left of Trudeau,amazingly, and wonder if he will join the Net Zero Group.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I've been following this for a month or so. IT seems like a real thing, whether it happens or not.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I have been following these musings pretty closely..you just cant have a gov disregard the oil and resources which affects their SOL. Carney is far left of Trudeau,amazingly, and wonder if he will join the Net Zero Group.

What does Carney need with free dial-up internet?

 

[HeuperDrive]

When the rumblings from the central provinces are louder than the rumblings from the Quebequois, that's definitely interesting. I'd imagine Nunavut and the Yukon and Northwest territories could follow as well(?), or would they form sort of a confederation of First Nations groups?

That said, I'm not familiar with their constitution; how would they go about "leaving"?

Act Respecting the Future of Quebec - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I would imagine it’d be a similar process to the article I’ve linked, but I’m not entirely sure-can't say I care enough about how Canada runs things to look deeply into it. In any case, this is the first time that a prairie province independence referendum feels like it could not only actually happen, but succeed too. It’s clear as day that the prairies and the rest of Canada have an entirely different outlook on how things should be done, and I really wouldn’t be surprised if this leads to them finally divorcing. I think it depends a lot on how Carney’s premiership goes-I honestly think he’s going to be a disaster, and can see the conservatives finally winning the next election, but who knows when that’ll be called.

I don’t really know what’ll happen if the prairies and Canada divorce. Obviously statehood for Alberta, Manitoba and Saskatchewan would be everybody’s first thought, but I’m not entirely convinced their populations want that, so much as they want to govern their own way. Whether they could actually go it by themselves, I have no clue, but I would wager a guess that Alberta would carry their economy, as I don’t think Saskatchewan and Manitoba bring nearly enough to the table. They have oil and all, but I don’t think their economies are nearly as diverse as the Albertan one. Regardless, it’d be terrible for the Canadian economy to lose all three-Canadians like to pretend the prairies don’t matter, but they very much do.

It’ll definitely be interesting to watch. Maybe the prairies will finally try to go independent, or maybe it’ll fizzle out like the 2014 Scottish independence referendum did. Maybe it’ll go the way of “Texas independence”, and just be something they yell about for a few months and then move on from. But as an outsider, I really have to say that it looks to me like the wedge is only going to keep driving Ottawa and the central provinces further and further apart, and something will have to give eventually, for better or for worse.

 

[volbound1700]

Can these provinces legally leave?

 

[Orangeburst]

What does Carney need with free dial-up internet?

looks like they are already committed to Net Zero..

How can a country enact such, and at same time export oil to other nations? Isnt that a little hypocritical, or one of those liberal virtue signaling thingys ..

 

[Orangeburst]

Can these provinces legally leave?

nothing in their Constitution that prohibits it, but we heard that here

 

[HeuperDrive]

Can these provinces legally leave?

I would assume so, since Quebec had two referendums on the matter-but I don’t know enough about how Canada works to say, with confidence, that they 100% can. I’ve seen some experts say that the prairies would rather try to push for more autonomy and separation from Ottawa, instead of full on independence, so that may be what they actually intend to pursue.

 

[tbh]

Act Respecting the Future of Quebec - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I would imagine it’d be a similar process to the article I’ve linked, but I’m not entirely sure-can't say I care enough about how Canada runs things to look deeply into it. In any case, this is the first time that a prairie province independence referendum feels like it could not only actually happen, but succeed too. It’s clear as day that the prairies and the rest of Canada have an entirely different outlook on how things should be done, and I really wouldn’t be surprised if this leads to them finally divorcing. I think it depends a lot on how Carney’s premiership goes-I honestly think he’s going to be a disaster, and can see the conservatives finally winning the next election, but who knows when that’ll be called.

I don’t really know what’ll happen if the prairies and Canada divorce. Obviously statehood for Alberta, Manitoba and Saskatchewan would be everybody’s first thought, but I’m not entirely convinced their populations want that, so much as they want to govern their own way. Whether they could actually go it by themselves, I have no clue, but I would wager a guess that Alberta would carry their economy, as I don’t think Saskatchewan and Manitoba bring nearly enough to the table. They have oil and all, but I don’t think their economies are nearly as diverse as the Albertan one. Regardless, it’d be terrible for the Canadian economy to lose all three-Canadians like to pretend the prairies don’t matter, but they very much do.

It’ll definitely be interesting to watch. Maybe the prairies will finally try to go independent, or maybe it’ll fizzle out like the 2014 Scottish independence referendum did. Maybe it’ll go the way of “Texas independence”, and just be something they yell about for a few months and then move on from. But as an outsider, I really have to say that it looks to me like the wedge is only going to keep driving Ottawa and the central provinces further and further apart, and something will have to give eventually, for better or for worse.

Makes sense. The Prairies have oil and agriculture, but a lack of year-round seaborne shipping could make exports to anyone other than their former countrymen and the US costly or complicated. I don't see them wanting to become states in the US, but I'd think they would do their best to align with the US as a trade partner at the very least.

At any rate, time to pop some maple-flavored popcorn.

 

[volbound1700]

nothing in their Constitution that prohibits it, but we heard that here

True but let's be honest, if Confederacy was formed today, they likely would have won with how wimpy the West is today about wars and civilians.

West kicked tail in 1800s. Kind of wish we had that mentality again and would have used it 8min Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq. You know the Roman mentality of beating them into a pulp until they submit and surrender.

 

[HeuperDrive]

Makes sense. The Prairies have oil and agriculture, but a lack of year-round seaborne shipping could make exports to anyone other than their former countrymen and the US costly or complicated. I don't see them wanting to become states in the US, but I'd think they would do their best to align with the US as a trade partner at the very least.

At any rate, time to pop some maple-flavored popcorn.

Yeah, I’d be very shocked if they’d want to join the US. Most conservative Canadians I’ve met tend to say “I like you guys, but I don’t want to join you”, and that sentiment has not changed. But they’d certainly want to have positive trade relations with us, and would be very much linked to us in every way. Their low population size would make them pretty easy for the U.S. to influence, and I’d wager American businesses would invest a lot in them too.

 

[rekinhavoc]

I was in Calgary last year and lots of anti-Trudeau signs.

 

[HeuperDrive]

True but let's be honest, if Confederacy was formed today, they likely would have won with how wimpy the West is today about wars and civilians.

Well, I’d really say the difference maker in a modern confederacy would be the fact the South is now just as industrialized as the north, which was the main reason they lost the ACW. won’t get into anything beyond that, but Texas, Georgia, North Carolina, Virginia, Florida, Tennessee and so on are just as industrialized and modern as the rest of the country, which wasn’t the case in 1861.

Alabama, of course, still lags far behind, but we all know that.

 

[volbound1700]

Well, I’d really say the difference maker in a modern confederacy would be the fact the South is now just as industrialized as the north, which was the main reason they lost the ACW. won’t get into anything beyond that, but Texas, Georgia, North Carolina, Virginia, Florida, Tennessee and so on are just as industrialized and modern as the rest of the country, which wasn’t the case in 1861.

Alabama, of course, still lags far behind, but we all know that.

Let me rephrase my scenario, if we went back to 1861 but gave North the culture of modern USA with how the average American views war and the rules of war, USA loses.

We don't fight wars, correctly, in the present day and haven't really since WW2.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Sounds like Carney has problems on their hands. The conservatives are talking about seceding because he was elected, and the liberals are madder than a wet cat that he got elected on strong anti-Trump rhetoric, and then as soon as he got elected, he immediately called him up like an old buddy asking for a trade deal. lol

Trump fanned those flames by claiming that Canada elected the guy that likes him the most. Talked up how great the conversation was, and how much both are looking forward to next week's meeting about trade deals.


"Our relationship with America is over."

Also:

"Be right there, Donald!"

 

[volbound1700]

Sounds like Carney has problems on their hands. The conservatives are talking about seceding because he was elected, and the liberals are madder than a wet cat that he got elected on strong anti-Trump rhetoric, and then as soon as he got elected, he immediately called him up like an old buddy asking for a trade deal. lol

Trump fanned those flames by claiming that Canada elected the guy that likes him the most. Talked up how great the conversation was, and how much both are looking forward to next week's meeting about trade deals.


"Our relationship with America is over."

Also:

"Be right there, Donald!"

Trump is playing Canada but I don't like it. We really need to leave them alone. I think this 51st state non-sense amped up the Alberta secession problem. (Note that Alberta representatives have visited the White House several times so they are in discourse with Trump).

 

[Orange_Crush]

Trump is playing Canada but I don't like it. We really need to leave them alone. I think this 51st state non-sense amped up the Alberta secession problem. (Note that Alberta representatives have visited the White House several times so they are in discourse with Trump).

The eastern provinces ramrodding the western provinces, and the liberals being duplicitous to the people has played Canada.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I see that two people inhere would know what this is, lol.

 

[dalton_vol]

I have been following these musings pretty closely..you just cant have a gov disregard the oil and resources which affects their SOL. Carney is far left of Trudeau,amazingly, and wonder if he will join the Net Zero Group.

He said that all economic choices would have the environmental considerations. His main focus will be global warming

 

[Orangeburst]

Wow..so Carney was governor of Bank of England..

and Liberal Party is proposing a home equity tax..

KLEIN: Liberals eye home equity tax while Canadians shout ‘fake news’ and hurl emojis

The Liberal government wants to tax your home equity. Instead of facing facts, readers resort to hashtags and name-calling. Read more.

winnipegsun.com

Carney 'did a terrible job' as Bank of England governor, says former British PM

Former British prime minister Liz Truss said Liberal leader Mark Carney "did a terrible job" as the Bank of England governor.

nationalpost.com

 

[ETV]

I see that two people inhere would know what this is, lol.


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[Orange_Crush]

56k was considered lightning fast.

ISDN, baby.

 

[Go aeiou]

I see that two people inhere would know what this is, lol.


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