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I hate playing FCS teams. I think it's embarrassing.

I know we need some weaker opponents so we can essentially have some "active bye weeks."

And I know we get an extra home game each season doing this because these are not home-and-away series.

And I know it helps an in-state FCS school like Tech to fund their athletic budget.

And I know we need some easier games because the SEC sched can be brutal.

And I know everyone does, including Alabama and Auburn every year before the Iron Bowl.

And I know we're going to continue doing it as long as everyone else does because we're not going to disadvantage our own schedule voluntarily.

I understand these things, but I still hate it and I personally think it's embarrassing to play an FCS team. It's like a high school team scheduling a game with a junior high team.

Really seems like the NCAA should make the power 5 teams play only power 5 teams. And mid-majors play only mid-majors (or maybe only 1 power-5 vs mid-major game a season). And FCS play only FCS.

Football seasons are only 12 games. There are very few times when power 5 schools play each other out of conference, and that's what's really needed in CFB today. Back in the day, power 5 schools used to play much stronger OOC games much more often.

I noticed this when I looked back at that old '79 Georgia team that nearly won the SEC by going 6-5 overall. Until the last 2 games of that season they were on track to go undefeated (6-0) in the conference but 0-5 OOC. (But they lost to Auburn and then beat Georgia Tech so they went 5-1 SEC, 1-4 OOC).
1979 Georgia Bulldogs Schedule and Results | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

And I was wondering how that could ever happen--and it certainly would never happen today. Well, for OOC, '79 Georgia played Wake Forest (ACC), Clemson (ACC), South Carolina (Ind at that time), Virginia (ACC), and Georgia Tech (Ind at that time). Now *that's* an OOC schedule.

Now granted, teams didn't play 12 games back then, but '79 Georgia also didn't play their first game til Sept 15 (not Sept 1 or 8). They actually had no bye week from their first game (Sept 15) til their last game (Nov 24). Meanwhile, Alabama was notorious for scheduling games like Wichita State at that time. The SEC at that time looked bad because we played only 6 conf games while the Big 10 played 8... so a stronger OOC was important back then.

Ideally, today I think the NCAA should say all conference teams should play 9 conference games. The Pac-12 and Big-12 already do that. It's the SEC, Big-10, and ACC that don't. Yes, I know the SEC schedule is brutal, but I think it would be better if the SEC was decided by 9 reg-season games instead of 8. Tenn wouldn't be as handicapped as an east team by always playing Alabama since at least 2 other east teams would do so also.

And ideally, I think the NCAA should say all power-5 teams should play 2 other OOC power-5 teams, not just 1 as the SEC does. It would make for much better games each weekend. Nobody wants to watch SEC teams play schools like Tenn Tech or Chattanooga or Samford. I think it's only been a couple of times this century that an SEC school has slipped up and lost to an FCS team (off top of my head, Florida to Ga Southern and Miss to Jax St).

And ideally, I think the NCAA should allow power-5 teams to have 1 bye week and 1 mid-major game so that 2 of the 13 weeks of the season would be off or a lesser team (or what should be), but the other 11 weeks would be conf and OOC power-5 games.

And I think the NCAA should stipulate this because teams are not going to do this voluntarily when others won't.

Now granted, Tenn has not played as many FCS teams in its history as other schools. I think Tenn has done this only 8 times ever, compared to TAMU and Auburn who have done it 22 times each. In fact, Tenn has done this historically the *least* by far of any SEC team.
History of FBS (I-A) vs. FCS (I-AA) » FootballGeography.com

But I think think it's embarrassing that the SEC (and ACC) schedule more FCS games that all the other conferences.
SEC has most games vs. FCS teams among Power 5 conferences

So that's my rant. I hate playing FCS teams. I think it's embarrassing.
 
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someone else said:
I hate playing FCS teams. I think it's embarrassing.

I know we need some weaker opponents so we can essentially have some "active bye weeks."

And I know we get an extra home game each season doing this because these are not home-and-away series.

And I know it helps an in-state FCS school like Tech to fund their athletic budget.

And I know we need some easier games because the SEC sched can be brutal.

And I know everyone does, including Alabama and Auburn every year before the Iron Bowl.

And I know we're going to continue doing it as long as everyone else does because we're not going to disadvantage our own schedule voluntarily.

I understand these things, but I still hate it and I personally think it's embarrassing to play an FCS team. It's like a high school team scheduling a game with a junior high team.

Really seems like the NCAA should make the power 5 teams play only power 5 teams. And mid-majors play only mid-majors (or maybe only 1 power-5 vs mid-major game a season). And FCS play only FCS.

Football seasons are only 12 games. There are very few times when power 5 schools play each other out of conference, and that's what's really needed in CFB today. Back in the day, power 5 schools used to play much stronger OOC games much more often.

I noticed this when I looked back at that old '79 Georgia team that nearly won the SEC by going 6-5 overall. Until the last 2 games of that season they were on track to go undefeated (6-0) in the conference but 0-5 OOC. (But they lost to Auburn and then beat Georgia Tech so they went 5-1 SEC, 1-4 OOC).
1979 Georgia Bulldogs Schedule and Results | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

And I was wondering how that could ever happen--and it certainly would never happen today. Well, for OOC, '79 Georgia played Wake Forest (ACC), Clemson (ACC), South Carolina (Ind at that time), Virginia (ACC), and Georgia Tech (Ind at that time). Now *that's* an OOC schedule.

Now granted, teams didn't play 12 games back then, but '79 Georgia also didn't play their first game til Sept 15 (not Sept 1 or 8). They actually had no bye week from their first game (Sept 15) til their last game (Nov 24). Meanwhile, Alabama was notorious for scheduling games like Wichita State at that time. The SEC at that time looked bad because we played only 6 conf games while the Big 10 played 8... so a stronger OOC was important back then.

Ideally, today I think the NCAA should say all conference teams should play 9 conference games. The Pac-12 and Big-12 already do that. It's the SEC, Big-10, and ACC that don't. Yes, I know the SEC schedule is brutal, but I think it would be better if the SEC was decided by 9 reg-season games instead of 8. Tenn wouldn't be as handicapped as an east team by always playing Alabama since at least 2 other east teams would do so also.

And ideally, I think the NCAA should say all power-5 teams should play 2 other OOC power-5 teams, not just 1 as the SEC does. It would make for much better games each weekend. Nobody wants to watch SEC teams play schools like Tenn Tech or Chattanooga or Samford. I think it's only been a couple of times this century that an SEC school has slipped up and lost to an FCS team (off top of my head, Florida to Ga Southern and Miss to Jax St).

And ideally, I think the NCAA should allow power-5 teams to have 1 bye week and 1 mid-major game so that 2 of the 13 weeks of the season would be off or a lesser team (or what should be), but the other 11 weeks would be conf and OOC power-5 games.

And I think the NCAA should stipulate this because teams are not going to do this voluntarily when others won't.

Now granted, Tenn has not played as many FCS teams in its history as other schools. I think Tenn has done this only 8 times ever, compared to TAMU and Auburn who have done it 22 times each. In fact, Tenn has done this historically the *least* by far of any SEC team.
History of FBS (I-A) vs. FCS (I-AA) » FootballGeography.com

But I think think it's embarrassing that the SEC (and ACC) schedule more FCS games that all the other conferences.
SEC has most games vs. FCS teams among Power 5 conferences

So that's my rant. I hate playing FCS teams. I think it's embarrassing.
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Ramble much? :thud:
 
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I'd rather get a second "open date" which allows our younger kids a chance to play vs what UF did earlier this year. It's a payday. Those teams take a beating for a buck which is much needed. Also gives those less recruited players a chance to show out vs the 4 and 5 star types. Fans may not get into it, but both sides benefit. No big deal, but it was welcome and fell at precisely the perfect time on the schedule. Allows us to rest up and heal up before the final push. Was a good day yesterday.
 
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I would rather we play some MWC and AAC teams. I would like to see Wyoming, Boise State and Air Force on the schedule instead of the Tennessee Techs of the game.
 
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someone else said:
I hate playing FCS teams. I think it's embarrassing.

I know we need some weaker opponents so we can essentially have some "active bye weeks."

And I know we get an extra home game each season doing this because these are not home-and-away series.

And I know it helps an in-state FCS school like Tech to fund their athletic budget.

And I know we need some easier games because the SEC sched can be brutal.

And I know everyone does, including Alabama and Auburn every year before the Iron Bowl.

And I know we're going to continue doing it as long as everyone else does because we're not going to disadvantage our own schedule voluntarily.

I understand these things, but I still hate it and I personally think it's embarrassing to play an FCS team. It's like a high school team scheduling a game with a junior high team.

Really seems like the NCAA should make the power 5 teams play only power 5 teams. And mid-majors play only mid-majors (or maybe only 1 power-5 vs mid-major game a season). And FCS play only FCS.

Football seasons are only 12 games. There are very few times when power 5 schools play each other out of conference, and that's what's really needed in CFB today. Back in the day, power 5 schools used to play much stronger OOC games much more often.

I noticed this when I looked back at that old '79 Georgia team that nearly won the SEC by going 6-5 overall. Until the last 2 games of that season they were on track to go undefeated (6-0) in the conference but 0-5 OOC. (But they lost to Auburn and then beat Georgia Tech so they went 5-1 SEC, 1-4 OOC).
1979 Georgia Bulldogs Schedule and Results | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

And I was wondering how that could ever happen--and it certainly would never happen today. Well, for OOC, '79 Georgia played Wake Forest (ACC), Clemson (ACC), South Carolina (Ind at that time), Virginia (ACC), and Georgia Tech (Ind at that time). Now *that's* an OOC schedule.

Now granted, teams didn't play 12 games back then, but '79 Georgia also didn't play their first game til Sept 15 (not Sept 1 or 8). They actually had no bye week from their first game (Sept 15) til their last game (Nov 24). Meanwhile, Alabama was notorious for scheduling games like Wichita State at that time. The SEC at that time looked bad because we played only 6 conf games while the Big 10 played 8... so a stronger OOC was important back then.

Ideally, today I think the NCAA should say all conference teams should play 9 conference games. The Pac-12 and Big-12 already do that. It's the SEC, Big-10, and ACC that don't. Yes, I know the SEC schedule is brutal, but I think it would be better if the SEC was decided by 9 reg-season games instead of 8. Tenn wouldn't be as handicapped as an east team by always playing Alabama since at least 2 other east teams would do so also.

And ideally, I think the NCAA should say all power-5 teams should play 2 other OOC power-5 teams, not just 1 as the SEC does. It would make for much better games each weekend. Nobody wants to watch SEC teams play schools like Tenn Tech or Chattanooga or Samford. I think it's only been a couple of times this century that an SEC school has slipped up and lost to an FCS team (off top of my head, Florida to Ga Southern and Miss to Jax St).

And ideally, I think the NCAA should allow power-5 teams to have 1 bye week and 1 mid-major game so that 2 of the 13 weeks of the season would be off or a lesser team (or what should be), but the other 11 weeks would be conf and OOC power-5 games.

And I think the NCAA should stipulate this because teams are not going to do this voluntarily when others won't.

Now granted, Tenn has not played as many FCS teams in its history as other schools. I think Tenn has done this only 8 times ever, compared to TAMU and Auburn who have done it 22 times each. In fact, Tenn has done this historically the *least* by far of any SEC team.
History of FBS (I-A) vs. FCS (I-AA) » FootballGeography.com

But I think think it's embarrassing that the SEC (and ACC) schedule more FCS games that all the other conferences.
SEC has most games vs. FCS teams among Power 5 conferences

So that's my rant. I hate playing FCS teams. I think it's embarrassing.
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Let's say it were always power 5 teams only play other power 5 teams. A couple of points.

Why would there be other teams in the league?
What teams do you think would benefit the most? Do you think teams like Alabama will schedule difficult games or easy games?
How do you think this will affect depth/injury issues for teams that can't just reload at all positions?

On the side of the power 5 team playing an fcs team...
More players get the opportunity to play in the season
Perhaps new player abilities develop
Get an easy game scheduled where few injuries should occur, essentially making the game a rest week.

Is this all embarrassing to you?
 
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I have no problem with it. With the SEC schedule and possible SECCG, teams need a break.

Doing two of these game per year funds a lot of the program at my old school, Western Carolina.
 
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Can I just say,

1. No way me or anyone else os reading that crap so dont take any responses seriously.

2. Why are you embarrassed? Its like taking a poop, everyone does it.
 
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Simple business... FCS teams need the money and FBS teams need the tune up / easy game every now and then.
 
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Hey someoneelse,

Great write-up.

That would certainly make the CFB season more competetive.

I just can't see it happening anytime soon. Your scenario would increase parity too severely.

Presently speaking the NCAA's cash-cow format is geared entirely towards staying alive for playoff consideration.

Rocky Top Vols yo Tampa plan A, Uhmm I mean plan B,oops!! Plan C, can a 2 loss team get in? Even the long shot of sneaking into the field keeps the revenue flowing.

The way the NCAA and the cut-throat conferences work, we're 5-15 years (if that soon) away from expanding the playoff field to 8 teams.

If we ever get the playoff field expanded to 8 teams, the Power-5 would first insist the conference champ automatically got in the playoff.

If we could align all those self serving conference interests then finally the Power 5 would acquiesce on account of the guaranteed increased revenue.

As things are presently; every conference is too afraid of taking a loss due to attrition and being left out of the playoff.

I'd love the scenario but we're along ways away from anything remotely like that.
 
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cwbytruckers said:
I would rather we play some MWC and AAC teams. I would like to see Wyoming, Boise State and Air Force on the schedule instead of the Tennessee Techs of the game.
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It's been pointed out before, TT is instate. Money stays home, travel cost is minimal, only chance their instate players get to play at Knoxville. Let me tell you to just stand in the middle of that stadium, even with no one there, will give you chills. Many years ago, while waiting for a b ball game in L.A., I walked onto the field in the
" Great LA coliseum", it doesn't compare.
 
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I get the instate thing. But if we are talking about moving away from these type games. Those were a few teams I would like to see. Not the SEC schedule and 4 power 5 opponents. But only if we eliminate the FCS schools.
 
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Someone, your post, while otherwise comprehensive, does not address the problems that would be created by your suggestion. Among them:

(1) The lack of "payday" games could cause some FCS programs significant financial hardship. These programs are trying to grow and, perhaps, get to the point where they can join the FBS even if it's just the Sun Belt or Mountain West. Why take that opportunity away from them?

(2) The lack of inter-play between the Power 5 and Group of 5 will grow, rather than shrink, the divide between the haves and have-nots. Opportunities for a Boise State or Navy to make a case for inclusion in the New Years 6 bowls, or get invited to join a Power 5 league, will disappear if you don't let them play a few Power 5 schools during the season. Why separate the tiers so drastically? Mixing them up some every year is healthy for all of college football.

There are others, but those are the two considerations I would most like to see you (or anyone who proposes something like this) address.

Remember: until recently, Louisville was a Group of 5 program. And Appalachian State was in the FCS. They both made good cases (and had good finances) for moving up because of the opportunities to play Power 5 schools, "prove their chops" so to speak.

Without having answers to these kinds of questions, you're just shifting from one set of problems to another.

But I do appreciate you thinking about it, and sharing your thoughts.
 
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MemphisVol77 said:
Hey someoneelse,

Great write-up.

That would certainly make the CFB season more competetive.

I just can't see it happening anytime soon. Your scenario would increase parity too severely.

Presently speaking the NCAA's cash-cow format is geared entirely towards staying alive for playoff consideration.

Rocky Top Vols yo Tampa plan A, Uhmm I mean plan B,oops!! Plan C, can a 2 loss team get in? Even the long shot of sneaking into the field keeps the revenue flowing.

The way the NCAA and the cut-throat conferences work, we're 5-15 years (if that soon) away from expanding the playoff field to 8 teams.

If we ever get the playoff field expanded to 8 teams, the Power-5 would first insist the conference champ automatically got in the playoff.

If we could align all those self serving conference interests then finally the Power 5 would acquiesce on account of the guaranteed increased revenue.

As things are presently; every conference is too afraid of taking a loss due to attrition and being left out of the playoff.

I'd love the scenario but we're along ways away from anything remotely like that.
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Thanks, MemphisVol, for reading my long rant. Valid points.

Yeah, looking back years ago, I think when teams used to play tougher OOC schedules it was due to two factors that are no longer in play: (1) smaller conf schedules (only 6 SEC games then); and (2) no playoff--champions were selected only by polls. So yes, I understand that teams today don't want to risk an unnecessary loss to miss out on the 4-team CFP. But my suggestion is that the NCAA mandate equality across the power-5 scheduling in terms of # of conf games and also the number and kinds of OOC games.

I agree, I think when FBS eventually does go to an 8-game playoff (and I think it will happen sometime after 2025 since ESPN has the broadcast rights on the 4-game CFP til then) that the 5 power-5 conf champions will and should have an automatic slot. And then if that happens, I think all the conferences should play 9 conf games like the Pac-12 and Big-12 already do. And then, I think that also means that there should be better equality about OOC schedules for fairness towards those other 3 CFP slots.

Yeah, I agree. I think it will take baby steps for the FBS scheduling situation to improve. Too much inequity right now with different conferences playing different numbers of conf games, and lots of inequity about OOC schedules. My simple suggestion right now is that Power-5 conf teams have no business playing FCS teams.

I also understand what a couple posters have mentioned that FCS games give playing time for backups like Dormady and others. That's definitely a plus since college--unlike high school--doesn't have JV games. But seems that can happen in the regular FBS games anyway. Whether winning big or losing big, there usually are chances for backups to play. So yeah, nice to see Dormady play, but I still hate it when SEC teams play FCS teams. To me, it seems unnecessary and a waste of a game on the schedule... just artificial inflation of numbers by scheduling an intentional mismatch.
 
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This is the PERFECT thread for all you blow-hards like the OP...to get your "stuff" out...

y'all need to get laid!
 
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