California Lawmakers Vote to Undo N.C.A.A. Amateurism

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They aren’t students athletes, they are athletes who make a crap ton of money for everyome else besides themselves.
They should be able to use their images to make money. They are putting their health on the line every game and they are subsidizing every other sport which is socialism at its core
Is socialism when everyone gets a piece of the pie and the distance between the haves and have nots close somewhat?

No way California's liberalism was going to bully this through the NCAA bylaws. It was a dead fish the moment they thought up this grand scheme for cash. Back to the drawing board.
 
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Is socialism when everyone gets a piece of the pie and the distance between the haves and have nots close somewhat?

No way California's liberalism was going to bully this through the NCAA bylaws. It was a dead fish the moment they thought up this grand scheme for cash. Back to the drawing board.
NCAA will cave on this, the state will sue NCAA and its a battle the NCAA cannot win.

It makes sense for the players to get a cut
 
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Is socialism when everyone gets a piece of the pie and the distance between the haves and have nots close somewhat?

No way California's liberalism was going to bully this through the NCAA bylaws. It was a dead fish the moment they thought up this grand scheme for cash. Back to the drawing board.
Time for a a split up with power teams. For an alliance and move on!
 
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Time for a a split up with power teams. For an alliance and move on!

Well, apparently the California teams didn't want to go first. They've tried to stand on the moral high ground a number of times. As recently as 2017, California had introduced and expanded a ban on taxpayer-funded travel to eight states with laws it views as discriminatory. Those are now Alabama, Kansas, Kentucky, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, and Texas.

The key point here would be the restrictions by the state of California "THEY" deem as discriminatory.

The problem is that one man's moral high ground is often another man's cesspool.
 
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I'd be interested to see what regular universities think of this proposed legislation.

What will end up happening is anyone outside of a handful of major football programs will just be outbid for the best recruits. Bunch of Power 5 schools won't be able to keep up with what will be spent. USC/Bama/Oregon/Ohio St boosters for example will be paying 50k for "the autograph of a student athlete". Someone else matched that? Ok, here's 60k for your autograph. Or better yet, here's another 50k for taking a picture with my family.

How have California colleges and universities responded?

In line with the NCAA and the Pac-12 Conference, also in staunch opposition. In a letter to lawmakers, a University of California official raised concerns that the bill would sap sponsorship money that currently goes to universities, leading to budget cuts and the potential elimination of sports that don’t generate the millions in revenue seen by football, men’s basketball and, to a lesser extent, baseball and women’s basketball.
https://beta.washingtonpost.com/spo...d0a324-d3e6-11e9-9343-40db57cf6abd_story.html
 
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Is socialism when everyone gets a piece of the pie and the distance between the haves and have nots close somewhat?
Capitalism says that if you have something of value, and someone would like to pay you for it, there shouldn't be any unreasonable barriers to that transaction.
 
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Capitalism says that if you have something of value, and someone would like to pay you for it, there shouldn't be any unreasonable barriers to that transaction.

So does socialism. They just define "unreasonable barriers" different that you.

Greed and selfishness, alongside the all-out pursuit of materialism, has destroyed family life, it's value system, and introduced cool things like slums, broken school systems, street people. Go capitalism.
 
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So does socialism. They just define "unreasonable barriers" different that you.

Greed and selfishness, alongside the all-out pursuit of materialism, has destroyed family life, it's value system, and introduced cool things like slums, broken school systems, street people. Go capitalism.
What the hell are you talking about?

Maybe it’s the greed of the NCAA who is to blame?
So the AD of all these major universities get paid around 1M a year and the assistant ADs probably half of that. In addition, the football teams make the playoffs they get additional Bonus of top of that. Everybody is subsidized by the football teams.
Why should the football team be paying for the field hockey scholarships when they don’t contribute to the overall pot?

Ahhh yes it’s the greedy football players who are tearing down the country
 
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What the hell are you talking about?

Maybe it’s the greed of the NCAA who is to blame?
So the AD of all these major universities get paid around 1M a year and the assistant ADs probably half of that. In addition, the football teams make the playoffs they get additional Bonus of top of that. Everybody is subsidized by the football teams.
Why should the football team be paying for the field hockey scholarships when they don’t contribute to the overall pot?

Ahhh yes it’s the greedy football players who are tearing down the country
If we're taking that stance, why should UT's business and engineering programs support dumbass degrees in English, Literature, Gender Studies, and anything in the humanities?

I don't disagree with you, just want to know what you think.
 
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So does socialism. They just define "unreasonable barriers" different that you.

Greed and selfishness, alongside the all-out pursuit of materialism, has destroyed family life, it's value system, and introduced cool things like slums, broken school systems, street people. Go capitalism.
And yet you want the poor people to remain poor so that the rich people can be just a little richer.

This isn't about trying to "level the playing field." This is about saying that kids should be able to make money for their efforts. Read Adam Smith. I guarantee you he'd agree with me.
 
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What the hell are you talking about?

Well, first of all, I wasn't addressing my comments to you. Try to read the context of the reply I was specifically addressing. And who knows, a little social commentary from time to time might do all of us some good.

Maybe it’s the greed of the NCAA who is to blame?
So the AD of all these major universities get paid around 1M a year and the assistant ADs probably half of that. In addition, the football teams make the playoffs they get additional Bonus of top of that. Everybody is subsidized by the football teams.
Why should the football team be paying for the field hockey scholarships when they don’t contribute to the overall pot?

Ahhh yes it’s the greedy football players who are tearing down the country
I haven't commented on the winners and losers of this battle of college football free agency, one way or the other. I stated that California was beating a dead horse from the moment they tried to bully-ball this through their state legislature and make it part of the college football landscape.

The biggest problem I see that will surface faster that side-effects of an open transfer portal policy is the inability to regulate the money passing to these high school recruits and college players. I've heard all kinds of theories about how to do it, never a reasonable working model that doesn't become anything but a recruiting tool and a bunch of have and have nots among the players themselves.
 
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And yet you want the poor people to remain poor so that the rich people can be just a little richer.

And yet you haven't heard me say that, now, have you? Stay with what's being actually stated and leave the assumptions to those with more clairvoyant skills.

This isn't about trying to "level the playing field." This is about saying that kids should be able to make money for their efforts. Read Adam Smith. I guarantee you he'd agree with me.

I haven't said that these Universities are somehow not making out like bandits. They are, after all, part of the shiny examples of what capitalism stands for in this country. Does Adam Smith have a workable, sustainable solution that has real merit of how you compensate these players without creating open season on free agency to the highest bidder?
 
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And yet you haven't heard me say that, now, have you? Stay with what's being actually stated and leave the assumptions to those with more clairvoyant skills.
So you're in favor of kids being allowed to make money off their names and likenesses? If I misunderstood that, then you really need to work on clarifying your position.

I haven't said that these Universities are somehow not making out like bandits. They are, after all, part of the shiny examples of what capitalism stands for in this country. Does Adam Smith have a workable, sustainable solution that has real merit of how you compensate these players without creating open season on free agency to the highest bidder?
Adam Smith would have been totally in favor of the bold.
 
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So you're in favor of kids being allowed to make money off their names and likenesses? If I misunderstood that, then you really need to work on clarifying your position.

I'm not for unregulated free agency. I don't believe you can have cash options without creating these dynamics. I don't believe in open transfer portals without real deterrence, or you again have a form of free agency. I don't believe California is smart enough to mandate such a change through their state hierarchy that actually would create anything less than free agency.

Adam Smith would have been totally in favor of the bold.
Then I haven't missed much.
 
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Given your interpretation of the applications of capitalism and socialism, you've actually missed quite a lot.

Solutions aren't hard to come by. We have all kinds of smart people spitting out solutions to everyday issues all the time. What's hard, what's impossible, is getting all these selfish, ambitious people to cooperate with it. Socialism or capitalism are just a few of the many vehicles these folks want to ride around in.
 

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