Butch's biggest weakness...

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Imo is the conservative way he manages games. You have to be aggressive to some extent to be successful at anything in life. Football is no exception. When I think of the good Florida teams under urban Meyer, that's the one charastic that sticks out to me the most. They were always aggressively attacking. Once they got a lead they put their foot on your throat. Remember several years ago while playing them at Neyland we scored in the third quarter to make it a one possession game and had all the momentum. On the next possession we force a three and out... Only they weren't out. They converted a fake punt from their own 35! They went on to score on that possession and put the game away . compare that to us playing Florida this year. Late in the first half we had a fourth and 2 from the Florida 36. I knew what was coming. We kicked the ball into the endzone for a net gain of 16 yards. That was our best drive of the day to that point and our defense had only allowed about 40 yards so far. That play sucked the life out of the team and the stadium. When you go for it whether you convert or not you're letting the players know you believe in them and we're going to take the necessary risks to win.
What made me think of this and fell the need to post is earlier today I heard a clip of saban talking regarding the team. He said the word aggressive about 10 times in a 2 minute recording. He said that the team can't play to not lose... Because that's exactly what will happen. I understand that saban isn't known to be an aggressive play caller, but similar to the good urban Meyer teams... Saban's good teams of past have always had that killer instinct. Once the get a lead they pour it on.
We almost seem to stop trying to score as soon as we get a lead. This year we've done it against uga and Uf. Last year we did it against usc and Vandy. Of course we still ended up beating usc but not without allowing them to come all the way back and take the lead late.
I'm not saying Butch isn't the guy for the job. Being conservative is something that he could decide to change at any time. Hes obviously aggressive in many other ways. He'd never be as successful of a recruiter as he is without aggressively pursuing the kids. He just needs to take that attitude to the field on Saturdays.
 
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chattavol420 said:
Imo is the conservative way he manages games. You have to be aggressive to some extent to be successful at anything in life. Football is no exception. When I think of the good Florida teams under urban Meyer, that's the one charastic that sticks out to me the most. They were always aggressively attacking. Once they got a lead they put their foot on your throat. Remember several years ago while playing them at Neyland we scored in the third quarter to make it a one possession game and had all the momentum. On the next possession we force a three and out... Only they weren't out. They converted a fake fg from their own 35! They went on to score on that possession and put the game away . compare that to us playing Florida this year. Late in the first half we had a fourth and 2 from the Florida 36. I knew what was coming. We kicked the ball into the endzone for a net gain of 16 yards. That was our best drive of the day to that point and our defense had only allowed about 40 yards so far. That play sucked the life out of the team and the stadium. When you go for it whether you convert or not you're letting the players know you believe in them and we're going to take the necessary risks to win.
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That's real stupidity to fall for that! Think it was a fake punt. fyp

However, we play to our defense. Our strength, so we may be slightly more conservative on offense because it would only negate our defensive advantage.
 
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Agreed. We recruited some bad a** playmakers and need to let them make some plays. Against UGA on the one minute drive, we let loose! Seems like Bajakian doesn't trust the young team to make big plays so they keep to the run twice and then try to make a 7 to 10 yd pass on 3rd and long. We should be trying to score every time we take the field on offense instead of trying to keep the ball and maybe score if we get lucky.
 
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Have you noticed this season how much better our offense plays when we are trying to make a 2 minute drive down the field before the half or to tie the game (re: Georgia, etc.)? It seems like they are looser and more fluid- kinda removes the 'thinking' from the game.

Pick up the pace and play every series like there's 2 minutes left in the game and down by 6.
 
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I agree, we should play to win. Two minute drill works most if the time. If we played like that half the game we could score more.
 
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NoogaVFL said:
Have you noticed this season how much better our offense plays when we are trying to make a 2 minute drive down the field before the half or to tie the game (re: Georgia, etc.)? It seems like they are looser and more fluid- kinda removes the 'thinking' from the game.

Pick up the pace and play every series like there's 2 minutes left in the game and down by 6.
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The defense plays looser coverage also. Usually drop back in zone, let you complete things underneath and eat up clock. Be nice if they'd do that all game but they don't..
 
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NoogaVFL said:
Have you noticed this season how much better our offense plays when we are trying to make a 2 minute drive down the field before the half or to tie the game (re: Georgia, etc.)? It seems like they are looser and more fluid- kinda removes the 'thinking' from the game.

Pick up the pace and play every series like there's 2 minutes left in the game and down by 6.
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I've noticed this. It goes both ways though when you quickly go 3 and out. We have issues at various positions going on.
 
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chattavol420 said:
Imo is the conservative way he manages games. You have to be aggressive to some extent to be successful at anything in life. Football is no exception. When I think of the good Florida teams under urban Meyer, that's the one charastic that sticks out to me the most. They were always aggressively attacking. Once they got a lead they put their foot on your throat. Remember several years ago while playing them at Neyland we scored in the third quarter to make it a one possession game and had all the momentum. On the next possession we force a three and out... Only they weren't out. They converted a fake fg from their own 35! They went on to score on that possession and put the game away . compare that to us playing Florida this year. Late in the first half we had a fourth and 2 from the Florida 36. I knew what was coming. We kicked the ball into the endzone for a net gain of 16 yards. That was our best drive of the day to that point and our defense had only allowed about 40 yards so far. That play sucked the life out of the team and the stadium. When you go for it whether you convert or not you're letting the players know you believe in them and we're going to take the necessary risks to win.
What made me think of this and fell the need to post is earlier today I heard a clip of saban talking regarding the team. He said the word aggressive about 10 times in a 2 minute recording. He said that the team can't play to not lose... Because that's exactly what will happen. I understand that saban isn't known to be an aggressive play caller, but similar to the good urban Meyer teams... Saban's good teams of past have always had that killer instinct. Once the get a lead they pour it on.
We almost seem to stop trying to score as soon as we get a lead. This year we've done it against uga and Uf. Last year we did it against usc and Vandy. Of course we still ended up beating usc but not without allowing them to come all the way back and take the lead late.
I'm not saying Butch isn't the guy for the job. Being conservative is something that he could decide to change at any time. Hes obviously aggressive in many other ways. He'd never be as successful of a recruiter as he is without aggressively pursuing the kids. He just needs to take that attitude to the field on Saturdays.
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I remember this play and it still bothers me. It was even after a timeout. When a timeout was called I thought great, we are going for the first down as I thought we should have. UT was in that "no man" zone where going for it made sense as it was a bit out of range for a sure shot field goal. Instead, they come out of timeout and punt...who does this? Made zero sense. Never come out of a timeout, in that field position and then punt. If anything, take the delay and give the extra yardage for the punt coverage. UT should have went for it as they had a little bit of mo going their way. That play, imo, cracked the door open for a Gator comeback when UT had the opportunity to start squeezing their necks. Jones was playing to not lose that game instead of playing to win, imo.
 
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Tennessee had a "go for it" coach just a couple yrs ago. Got his ass embarassed several times and lost his team. Jones coaches the game to win with a weaker team. You're gonna win it in the 4th qtr not the 2nd. What horn did you blow on in the band?
 
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OP, I agree with you somewhat but I do think the players you have on the field dictates how aggressive a coach can be. As fans, we always want the coaches to take risks but its not that simple when the game is on your shoulders. In the UF game, Jones decided to try to put his defense in a position to play UF deep in their own territory and I totally get that.
 
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NoogaVFL said:
Have you noticed this season how much better our offense plays when we are trying to make a 2 minute drive down the field before the half or to tie the game (re: Georgia, etc.)? It seems like they are looser and more fluid- kinda removes the 'thinking' from the game.

Pick up the pace and play every series like there's 2 minutes left in the game and down by 6.
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I think this is because the defense rushes fewer players and drops them back into coverage. Give Worley time and he can hit our talented receivers. Also, many of those yards are picked up on draw plays. Give Hurd some space and he can really get some yards.
 
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They used to say Majors was too conservative too, but he sure got allot of production from most of his offenses.
 
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His biggest weakness is not finding someone to take the places of Kerbyson and Thomas... Might as well just slap a tackling dummy out there - at least the opposing DE would have to make contact to get around it...
 
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His biggest weakness is the poor play of the OL. Otherwise we are 5-1 and likely ranked in the top 15. Patience is VN's biggest weakness.
 
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I totally disagree. If anything, I would like to see us get even more conservative, play for field position and rely on our defense. Try to stay in games and steal them in the fourth quarter. Eventually, we will get one.

That, to me, is better than forcing the issue and watching Worley get pressured into another turnover.
 
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You got a 4th and 2 from your opponents 36, you almost always should go for it. It is stupid to punt. Even with our crap offense, we should have gone for that first against florida. I hate weak coaching decisions. Spurrier used to kill us because he NEVER wanted to punt while Fulmer was always happy to kick the ball. Needless to say, we got abused more often than not.
 
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chattavol420 said:
Imo is the conservative way he manages games. You have to be aggressive to some extent to be successful at anything in life. Football is no exception. When I think of the good Florida teams under urban Meyer, that's the one charastic that sticks out to me the most. They were always aggressively attacking. Once they got a lead they put their foot on your throat. Remember several years ago while playing them at Neyland we scored in the third quarter to make it a one possession game and had all the momentum. On the next possession we force a three and out... Only they weren't out. They converted a fake fg from their own 35! They went on to score on that possession and put the game away . compare that to us playing Florida this year. Late in the first half we had a fourth and 2 from the Florida 36. I knew what was coming. We kicked the ball into the endzone for a net gain of 16 yards. That was our best drive of the day to that point and our defense had only allowed about 40 yards so far. That play sucked the life out of the team and the stadium. When you go for it whether you convert or not you're letting the players know you believe in them and we're going to take the necessary risks to win.
What made me think of this and fell the need to post is earlier today I heard a clip of saban talking regarding the team. He said the word aggressive about 10 times in a 2 minute recording. He said that the team can't play to not lose... Because that's exactly what will happen. I understand that saban isn't known to be an aggressive play caller, but similar to the good urban Meyer teams... Saban's good teams of past have always had that killer instinct. Once the get a lead they pour it on.
We almost seem to stop trying to score as soon as we get a lead. This year we've done it against uga and Uf. Last year we did it against usc and Vandy. Of course we still ended up beating usc but not without allowing them to come all the way back and take the lead late.
I'm not saying Butch isn't the guy for the job. Being conservative is something that he could decide to change at any time. Hes obviously aggressive in many other ways. He'd never be as successful of a recruiter as he is without aggressively pursuing the kids. He just needs to take that attitude to the field on Saturdays.
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best post I've seen on volnation in years. butch is learning on the job. hopefully he grows into it, but I in no way would put money on it.
 
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chattavol420 said:
Imo is the conservative way he manages games. You have to be aggressive to some extent to be successful at anything in life. Football is no exception. When I think of the good Florida teams under urban Meyer, that's the one charastic that sticks out to me the most. They were always aggressively attacking. Once they got a lead they put their foot on your throat. Remember several years ago while playing them at Neyland we scored in the third quarter to make it a one possession game and had all the momentum. On the next possession we force a three and out... Only they weren't out. They converted a fake fg from their own 35! They went on to score on that possession and put the game away . compare that to us playing Florida this year. Late in the first half we had a fourth and 2 from the Florida 36. I knew what was coming. We kicked the ball into the endzone for a net gain of 16 yards. That was our best drive of the day to that point and our defense had only allowed about 40 yards so far. That play sucked the life out of the team and the stadium. When you go for it whether you convert or not you're letting the players know you believe in them and we're going to take the necessary risks to win.
What made me think of this and fell the need to post is earlier today I heard a clip of saban talking regarding the team. He said the word aggressive about 10 times in a 2 minute recording. He said that the team can't play to not lose... Because that's exactly what will happen. I understand that saban isn't known to be an aggressive play caller, but similar to the good urban Meyer teams... Saban's good teams of past have always had that killer instinct. Once the get a lead they pour it on.
We almost seem to stop trying to score as soon as we get a lead. This year we've done it against uga and Uf. Last year we did it against usc and Vandy. Of course we still ended up beating usc but not without allowing them to come all the way back and take the lead late.
I'm not saying Butch isn't the guy for the job. Being conservative is something that he could decide to change at any time. Hes obviously aggressive in many other ways. He'd never be as successful of a recruiter as he is without aggressively pursuing the kids. He just needs to take that attitude to the field on Saturdays.
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CBJ is not running a conservative offense...he is running the best offense that his current players allow...with Worley at QB he can only do so much of the read option...and with the OLine so young and unable to make the big blocks ... it is very limiting...now if Tennessee had Taj Boyd running the offense last year...we would have won every game but Oregon, Alabama and Auburn. When he was a Cincinnati he had the QBs to run the offense and did fine.
 
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Am I the only one who remembers Jones going for it in 4th down 3 times last year against Georgia and running double reverses and reverse passes this year? I wouldn't call him conservative, just trying to get the game to the 4th quarter with a chance to win as others have said.
 
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