Butch 4th ranked overpaid coach in NCAA?

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Don't know that I would have him that high on the list, but there's no doubt that CBJ should have done better by now given all the advantages a school like UT affords it's head coach (imo).

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/website-says-three-sec-coaches-among-top-5-overpaid-college-football/
 
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In a national context, he's definitely overpaid atm.


In the context of the SEC, I'm not so sure. Guys are paid a lot more to coach in the SEC than in most other conferences. There's a reason 3 of the top 4 names on that list were SEC guys. Its because mid tier SEC coaches get paid like top tier coaches in many other conferences.
 
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Meh, I wouldn't put him in the Top 5 of the most overpaid coaches in the NCAA. Maybe Top 15 at worst. He has brought Tennessee back to a respectable level but he still has a lot to prove on the field. Last year expectations were not met once again by failing to win the East with a very talented squad. I do agree injuries played a big role in it as well but we should have easily handled Vanderbilt & South Carolina. I've gotten over that last year and I'm hoping Butch can save his job by winning the East this 17-18 Season. I like Butch but now it's time to put up or shut up. Tired of the excuses.
 
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IDT UK is complaining about Stoops. He has elevated UK in every area-- recruiting, wins, bowl game, facilities, staff, fan support.
 
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IDT UK is complaining about Stoops. He has elevated UK in every area-- recruiting, wins, bowl game, facilities, staff, fan support.

Lol. Broken record with every coach they hire. Sounds like Vandy
 
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Meh, I wouldn't put him in the Top 5 of the most overpaid coaches in the NCAA. Maybe Top 15 at worst. He has brought Tennessee back to a respectable level but he still has a lot to prove on the field. Last year expectations were not met once again by failing to win the East with a very talented squad. I do agree injuries played a big role in it as well but we should have easily handled Vanderbilt & South Carolina. I've gotten over that last year and I'm hoping Butch can save his job by winning the East this 17-18 Season. I like Butch but now it's time to put up or shut up. Tired of the excuses.

It's not a commentary on his actuall performance as HC at UT, but rather whether or not the $16 million dollars that he has been paid, has returned commensurate dividends on the field.
 
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CBJ is the 23 highest paid and he has us as a top 20 team, seems about right. I don't see him as over paid. If we finish out of the top 20 this year then let the discussion begin.

Jimmy mac has been lucky at FL. Let's see how he does without muschams players. Where as CBJ had to recruit his own.

Smart is recruiting well in Atlanta, there's a surprise! Remember the last guy won 10 a year there. Let's see if Kirby can do as well.

Not defending Butch as much as saying the author makes no sense. CBJ has to take a step forward.
 
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As SDS even points out, Butch is the 9th highest paid coach in the SEC. His teams have had back to back 9-4 seasons which although disappointing, still represents significant improvement over what he inherited and he has beaten Georgia the last two years, just beat Florida and is also 3-0 in bowl games. I would contend he is paid close to what he should be paid.

SDS also defends Kirby Smart by saying that he is "dominating" on the recruiting trail... but does that completely make up for the crappy first season he just had? And let's just see how he continues to recruit if the results don't improve. Georgia may be young but that hardly justifies 8-5 in the SEC when you don't have to play Alabama and are as talented as Georgia is.
 
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He's only overpaid if he fails to win. I think we'll learn a lot this coming season.
 
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It's not a commentary on his actuall performance as HC at UT, but rather whether or not the $16 million dollars that he has been paid, has returned commensurate dividends on the field.

IMHO, measure his value off the field to determine if he's overpaid. Anybody can see what he's done rebuilding the program and the culture from the ground up.

But each year his program generates $18.6 million just in state and local tax revenues!

According to a 2015-16 study, the impact of U.T.'s footbal program was $347 million for the state and $355.7 million locally.

From a Chattanooga Times Free Press article:
"...visitor spending for home football games contributes more than $292 million — an average of $42 million per home game — to the state's economy, with Tennessee residents spending $140 per day and out-of-state visitors forking out $308 per day to attend home games.

According to survey results conducted during the 2015 football season, 25 percent of fans attending home games live outside of Tennessee and about 70 percent live outside of Knoxville.

In terms of the local economic impact, visitor spending for home football games includes $40.4 million on hotels, $28 million on retail food and beverage and $30.7 million for restaurants, according to the study.

... The study includes the athletic department's operational budget of $145 million."

No other person effects that economic impact as much as the head coach. Has CBJ's salary been a good investment off the field? ...in the locker room? ...in the post-Kiffin/Dooley chapter of the history of Big Orange Football? I don't think anyone can reasonably doubt those.

But if the question is how much of other people's money are fans are willing to see spent to satisfy their individual expectations... well, even that generates income (hopefully) for volnation.com! :compute:
 
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Where is Kevin Sumlin on that list?

That is one of several coaches who should be ahead of Butch on this list. Sumlin is currently under contract for 6 years and a guaranteed $30 million. Sumlin has been 8-5 the last 3 seasons and was just 9-4 prior to that and obviously, he has a much better recruiting base than Butch. I'm not saying that Butch hasn't disappointed but this is a ridiculous list.
 
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I cringe at people saying what other people should be paid who are not the employers of said person. In a free market economy, you are paid whatever value your employer sees in you, regardless of the opinions of people who are not the employer.
 
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I cringe at people saying what other people should be paid who are not the employers of said person. In a free market economy, you are paid whatever value your employer sees in you, regardless of the opinions of people who are not the employer.

Another great point. If the people who pay your salary are happy with the job you're doing then you're not overpaid.
 
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I cringe at people saying what other people should be paid who are not the employers of said person. In a free market economy, you are paid whatever value your employer sees in you, regardless of the opinions of people who are not the employer.

Also, most dont understand that jones is set for life regardless how it turns out here
 
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if Tennessee goes 9-4 in the 2017 season Butch would be 39 and 25 overall at TN. That is 64% win percentage. With a new QB, new(ish) RB and the ever present injuries I think 9-4(with bowl win) is reasonable for this season. I think Butch is paid about what he should be at this point. He has brought this team back into the conversation in the East.
 
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if Tennessee goes 9-4 in the 2017 season Butch would be 39 and 25 overall at TN. That is 64% win percentage. With a new QB, new(ish) RB and the ever present injuries I think 9-4(with bowl win) is reasonable for this season. I think Butch is paid about what he should be at this point. He has brought this team back into the conversation in the East.

That's like saying you showed up for work and ask for a raise
 
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