Boy, Was I Wrong...

#51
#51
every kid in the back yard around middle tennessee calls it hook and ladder, better yet, let Johnny Majors say it and a cray computer couldnt decipher it
 
#52
#52
volfanbill said:
I agree with rex... (that's tough to say). UT has never had what seems to be a wide open playbook. Yeah the cuts and routes are a little different, but it's still a basic playbook. The advantage in the '90's was that they were always able to line up and still give defenses fits. I just don't see that happening anymore.

I'm not calling for new plays, or for a new scheme specifically. I think our system can work. But I don't care what you say about the recruiting services not being accurate, that's garbage. They may overrate enough players to screw us up one year, but not every year since 2000, save '05. I just don't think the coaches are developing these players to be able to line up and go toe to toe with the likes of Florida, LSU, USC, and OU. bash me if you want. Our plays are simple and we don't have our players at a good enough level where they can't beat them anyway.

So many other teams pull off a true screen pass and have the blocking to make it work. Too often our blocking seems to fail. Several teams can still pound the ball between the tackles and be very effective. Save the last three games (against inferior opponents), we haven't done that well in big games.

My original point is we are still running the same playbook that got Sanders fired, only Cut is free to run the offense while Sanders was on a very short leash thanks to CPF.
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vfb, your best post ever
 
#57
#57
Really what the Vols need with their talent is some new blood in the coaching staff whether it is Phil or some of the assistants. You can't say that when a recruit sees the UT offense, he thinks "that looks exciting" or "I can thrive in that offense." I am not saying Urban's is the best either. Truthfully Spurrier's offense is the one that probably excites most. Just my 2 cents worth.
 
#58
#58
tng8r said:
Really what the Vols need with their talent is some new blood in the coaching staff whether it is Phil or some of the assistants. You can't say that when a recruit sees the UT offense, he thinks "that looks exciting" or "I can thrive in that offense." I am not saying Urban's is the best either. Truthfully Spurrier's offense is the one that probably excites most. Just my 2 cents worth.
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USC's offense has been average at best under visor boy. Solid defense is what makes that team good.
 
#59
#59
volfanbill said:
My original point is we are still running the same playbook that got Sanders fired, only Cut is free to run the offense while Sanders was on a very short leash thanks to CPF.
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Popular misconception, but a misconception none the less.

GAVol said:
...I'd say the playbook was about 10% of what got Sanders in trouble.
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100% accurate. In fact, the only reason it is 10% is because all college teams run those exact same plays. Some plays are just common accross the board regardless of team or coach.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
Popular misconception, but a misconception none the less.



100% accurate. In fact, the only reason it is 10% is because all college teams run those exact same plays. Some plays are just common accross the board regardless of team or coach.
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misconception my you know what..... but again, why would i expect you to be right? Perhaps more than the playbook got him fired, but it's still the same playbook
 
#61
#61
I almost fainted when we had the direct snap to the running back. we need innovation, say what you will, but I swear we've been running the majority of our plays since 1989. If Majors is, whoops, I mean Phil, is going to stay, then bring in a fresh OC with new ideas, like Malzahn. The only reason Phil brought Cut back is that he knew he wouldnt be a threat to do to him what Phil did to Johnny.
 
#62
#62
rexvol said:
I almost fainted when we had the direct snap to the running back. we need innovation, say what you will, but I swear we've been running the majority of our plays since 1989. If Majors is, whoops, I mean Phil, is going to stay, then bring in a fresh OC with new ideas, like Malzahn. The only reason Phil brought Cut back is that he knew he wouldnt be a threat to do to him what Phil did to Johnny.
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:eek:lol:
 
#63
#63
rexvol said:
I almost fainted when we had the direct snap to the running back. we need innovation, say what you will, but I swear we've been running the majority of our plays since 1989. If Majors is, whoops, I mean Phil, is going to stay, then bring in a fresh OC with new ideas, like Malzahn. The only reason Phil brought Cut back is that he knew he wouldnt be a threat to do to him what Phil did to Johnny.
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sad, but true. I say again, very sad, but very, very true.
 
#64
#64
volfanbill said:
misconception my you know what..... but again, why would i expect you to be right? Perhaps more than the playbook got him fired, but it's still the same playbook
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It has little to do with this play book. 10% would be about right. It's the playcalling that was bad. He was scared to stretch vertically.. especially with the 2nd Clausen. He would get into patterns of run-pass-run or run-run-pass. I called it the Randy Pokey:

You run Houston right
You run Houston Left
You run Houston up the middle
Then you send the punt team out


Zero imagination or change of pace. Toss sweeps on 3rd or 4th and short...etc., etc.

He was never fired was he?
 
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#65
allvol said:
Actually, Sanders wanted Clausen as the QB in '05, while Fulmer wanted Ainge. The team split as well. Too bad, because both players got caught in the middle and the team suffered.
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Which only proves that Sanders knew what he was talking about and Fulmer needs to keep his hands where they don't belong.
 
#66
#66
CovVol said:
It has little to do with this play book. 10% would be about right. It's the playcalling that was bad. He was scared to stretch vertically.. especially with the 2nd Clausen. He would get into patterns of run-pass-run or run-run-pass. I called it the Randy Pokey:

You run Houston right
You run Houston Left
You run Houston up the middle
Then you send the punt team out


Zero imagination or change of pace. Toss sweeps on 3rd or 4th and short...etc., etc.

He was never fired was he?
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therein lies my point. It wasn't Sanders that was scared to stretch the field. It was Fulmer. Fulmer was afraid to do anything and Fulmer and Sanders even had disagreements as to who should be behind center. Perhaps that's the biggest reason he moved on. But Sanders was on a short leash to Fulmer and didn't get to do the things he wanted with the offense, hence the reason Sanders was merely a scapegoat.

And technically he stepped down.
 
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