BJ Coleman vs Jonathan Crompton high school stats

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sjt18 said:
Which ones? And no, you don't get to place limits on what gets talked about so that no one can dispute what you declare to be so. That's a debate trick that some people try to pull to cover the weaknesses in their argument.
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For example, I pointed out some of the terrible INTs that JC has thrown, and how helpless he looked against Arky. Those things were just dismissed as "what do you expect", when I was merely saying the things I've seen factor into my opinion. I haven't tried to limit anything, I've talked about anything that's been brought up.
 
#102
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GoVols817 said:
It's so funny how you guys pick and choose what you want to talk about...

I can't say anything more than we can debate this til the damn sun goes down, but NEITHER of us will be right until September.

EDIT: That is was response to sjt18, I just didn't quote him.
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Well... yes, one of us IS right. I'm right when I have repeatedly said that I don't KNOW which guy is the better of the two and that whoever is better will emerge between now and September... in spite of your certainty based on not much more than your subjective observations that BJC is the obvious best option right now.
 
#103
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sjt18 said:
No. But extreme loyalty to individuals is a part of CPF's personality and leadership style. It has both benefits and demerits.

UT's season might have been even better had CPF not stuck with EA when he was injured.

I personally think they should play their backup QB in every game the way UGA did with Shockley.

I'm not against CPF but I do think he has some weaknesses... these being a couple of them.
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I agree with all of this except I probably put more weight in the benefits of the loyalty trait (fault) to call it an outright weakness. It can hurt us in the short term... and it may have this year. We'll know better when we find out how good JC really is.

As for EA's NFL stock, he needs to throw some deep balls against a weak Wiscy secondary in a couple of days to have a decent shot.
 
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GoVols817 said:
For example, I pointed out some of the terrible INTs that JC has thrown, and how helpless he looked against Arky. Those things were just dismissed as "what do you expect", when I was merely saying the things I've seen factor into my opinion. I haven't tried to limit anything, I've talked about anything that's been brought up.
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Looking helpless against superior defenses is not a new concept. I was at the Florida game in '96. Manning couldnt do anything right the entire first half. That's just one of many examples. Ar-Kansas was the superior team on both sides that night... it wasnt just JC by any stretch.
 
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CovVol said:
Looking helpless against superior defenses is not a new concept. I was at the Florida game in '96. Manning couldnt do anything right the entire first half. That's just one of many examples. Ar-Kansas was the superior team on both sides that night... it wasnt just JC by any stretch.
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This is what I'm talking about. I know there are other factors and it wasn't just him, I'm just saying the situation factors into my opinion of the situation, but you people are trying to make it sound like I should ignore it b/c Arky was good and he was inexperienced.

NEWS FLASH: He will STILL BE inexperienced in September and almost EVERYONE we play is good. Jeez.
 
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817, it isn't meaningless... but it is also hardly fair on your part to say the guy is a failure because he didn't put the team on his back and carry them against 2 of the 3 best teams UT played in 2006.

I seldom make statements like this but I am 99.999....% confident that BJ would have struggled in both of those games as well. There's not alot of shame there. LSU and Ark put 2 db's each in the NFL last year if I remember correctly and will put at least a couple more in this year between them.

Ark manhandled UT's vaunted WR's in that game. Even Meachem couldn't consistently get off their press coverage. Someone with EA's experience might have checked out or something... but it is safe to say virtually no first time starter would have been given that latitude at UT.

What you seem to be saying is that JC is a bust because he didn't light up a bunch of NFL ready players in his first PT as a RS Freshman coming off shoulder surgery.

Include whatever you want in your opinion... but you are hardly being reasonable with your criticism of those two games.

Bears repeating... I don't know that JC can make good decisions at that level. I don't know that he's not a bust. I do know that he's done nothing to definitively prove those things as of yet.
 
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utmba93 said:
I agree with all of this except I probably put more weight in the benefits of the loyalty trait (fault) to call it an outright weakness. It can hurt us in the short term... and it may have this year. We'll know better when we find out how good JC really is.
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I think CPF's loyalty to RS had more than short term effects. It may yet cost him his job.

As for EA's NFL stock, he needs to throw some deep balls against a weak Wiscy secondary in a couple of days to have a decent shot.
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EA is fragile. I think that's why they've concentrated so heavily on the short game and 2.5 second deliveries.

I hate it because I respect what he's done... but I don't think EA has a future in the NFL. He gets injured too easily.

That said, they may give him some deep throws since there isn't a "next game" to keep him healthy for.
 
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sjt18 said:
817, it isn't meaningless... but it is also hardly fair on your part to say the guy is a failure because he didn't put the team on his back and carry them against 2 of the 3 best teams UT played in 2006.

I seldom make statements like this but I am 99.999....% confident that BJ would have struggled in both of those games as well. There's not alot of shame there. LSU and Ark put 2 db's each in the NFL last year if I remember correctly and will put at least a couple more in this year between them.

Ark manhandled UT's vaunted WR's in that game. Even Meachem couldn't consistently get off their press coverage. Someone with EA's experience might have checked out or something... but it is safe to say virtually no first time starter would have been given that latitude at UT.

What you seem to be saying is that JC is a bust because he didn't light up a bunch of NFL ready players in his first PT as a RS Freshman coming off shoulder surgery.

Include whatever you want in your opinion... but you are hardly being reasonable with your criticism of those two games.

Bears repeating... I don't know that JC can make good decisions at that level. I don't know that he's not a bust. I do know that he's done nothing to definitively prove those things as of yet.
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That isn't what I'm saying at all.

All I am saying is that I am taking the fact that I saw JC struggle greatly against Arky and not be very accurate against LSU into my consideration of him. I think it's more than fair that I use in game experience in my observation of a player. No, it wasn't all or even half his fault, but I'm not pinning those losses on him, I'm talking about his play in those losses and that's all.
 
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I wonder how many of you slamming Fulmer for sticking with Ainge were also slamming him in 2005 for not picking a QB and sticking with him.

:crazy:
 
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KentheOrange said:
I wonder how many of you slamming Fulmer for sticking with Ainge were also slamming him in 2005 for not picking a QB and sticking with him.

:crazy:
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I don't see anyone "slamming" him, we are just discussing the degree of his injury and why JC didn't see time if we trust him so much and the injury was as bad as it seems it was at one point.
 
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GoVols817 said:
That isn't what I'm saying at all.

All I am saying is that I am taking the fact that I saw JC struggle greatly against Arky and not be very accurate against LSU into my consideration of him. I think it's more than fair that I use in game experience in my observation of a player. No, it wasn't all or even half his fault, but I'm not pinning those losses on him, I'm talking about his play in those losses and that's all.
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And all I'm saying is against Ar-Kansas... he played as all Freshmen in their first start.... big deal. Against LSU, he was a bit better then atvertised. His numbers wont show it, but they were a bad call away from winning that game... he doesnt get all the credit, but to do what he did under those circumstances is not just ordinary.
 
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KentheOrange said:
I wonder how many of you slamming Fulmer for sticking with Ainge were also slamming him in 2005 for not picking a QB and sticking with him.

:crazy:
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If I were here in 2005, I would've slammed him for not sticking with someone. It's as bad as Orgeron pulling the center against MSU in the Egg Bowl for getting a personal foul and watching the center/QB exchange get fumbled 3 plays later.
 
#113
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GoVols817 said:
ESPN for one.

For several years I played Madden competitively with guys from everywhere, and they all think our fanbase is one of the dumbest.

Almost every road game I go to, I have to hear how UT fans are the most ignorant. I have to apologize for the guy standing next to me.

I'm just saying I see more and more why people have the perception they do of UT. Fat woman and a pig.
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Ha, a man told you to your face, obviously knowing you're a UT fan, that you are pretty much a dumbass, and you apologized? He was clearly making that call based on you, not other UT fans my friend. V-O-L-S Go Vols Go.

P.S.-Get a real job, Lebowski. You hear me? The Bum's loss!
 
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The Dude said:
Ha, a man told you to your face, obviously knowing you're a UT fan, that you are pretty much a dumbass, and you apologized? He was clearly making that call based on you, not other UT fans my friend. V-O-L-S Go Vols Go.

P.S.-Get a real job, Lebowski. You hear me? The Bum's loss!
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Your reading comprehension is terrible. I clearly said I routinely apologize to away fans for the conduct of the ignorant fan sitting next to me. That's pretty clear.
 
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GoVols817 said:
In the 06 season, when TT came in the game, did you know what was about to happen??? Yes, you did. So no, there isn't a difference in the example that you used. Everyone knew what TT was gonna do, he didn't look like a drunk elephant not sure where to go.
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Tebow ran inside and outside occasionally. Crompton came in and ran an option to the right twice. Additionally, Tebow likely has the physical tools to play fullback. Crompton does not.
 
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kptvol said:
Tebow ran inside and outside occasionally. Crompton came in and ran an option to the right twice. Additionally, Tebow likely has the physical tools to play fullback. Crompton does not.
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It's a bit unbecoming of UT fans to make fun of the way a QB looks when he runs.

Last year's highlight film of PM's running TD's for the Colts was hilarious. PM was far more ofa awkward-looking runner, especially as a Frosh, than JC could possibly be. Let's let UF be the masters of the QB as a fullback thing.
 
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utmba93 said:
It's a bit unbecoming of UT fans to make fun of the way a QB looks when he runs.

Last year's highlight film of PM's running TD's for the Colts was hilarious. PM was far more ofa awkward-looking runner, especially as a Frosh, than JC could possibly be. Let's let UF be the masters of the QB as a fullback thing.
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I thought FSU did that a few years back with Dan Kendra?
 
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