Billy Donavan Owes Tennessee

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rockydoc

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The last two times Floridia has gone to the NCAA final four, UT beat the TWICE in the regular season (Jerry Green's team in 2000 and Bruce Pearl's team this year). Did this motivate them or are we underachievers??

BTW Florida has been to the final four three times in the past 12 years ( 1994,2000, and 2006). I believe this is the most in the SEC. Who says they are a football school?
 
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(rockydoc @ Mar 29 said:
The last two times Floridia has gone to the NCAA final four, UT beat the TWICE in the regular season (Jerry Green's team in 2000 and Bruce Pearl's team this year). Did this motivate them or are we underachievers??

BTW Florida has been to the final four three times in the past 12 years ( 1994,2000, and 2006). I believe this is the most in the SEC. Who says they are a football school?
Kentucky played in the championship game in '96,'97, and '98.
 
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I think Arkansas may have been to 3 Final Fours also.

EDIT: OK, I just checked. Arkansas has been to 3 Final Fours, but one of them was in 1990 which was a couple of years before they joined the SEC.
 
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(GAVol @ Mar 29 said:
I think Arkansas may have been to 3 Final Fours also.

EDIT: OK, I just checked. Arkansas has been to 3 Final Fours, but one of them was in 1990 which was a couple of years before they joined the SEC.
Since 94?? I know Richardson went to back to back final fours? But the other one was like 79 when eddie Sutton was the coach?
 
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They went in '90, '94 and '95.

This site is kind of neat to look at.

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I bet you can look at all of the rosters in the NCAA today and not find one that has an Irwin, a Norman and a Seymour on the same team.
 
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(GAVol @ Mar 29 said:
I bet you can look at all of the rosters in the NCAA today and not find one that has an Irwin, a Norman and a Seymour on the same team.

Don't forget about Herb. :lol:
 
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It's not a big deal, but I'm pretty sure that Sutton did take Arkansas to the Final Four in 1978.
 
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They did, but I think they were originally looking for SEC teams.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Mar 29 said:
Kentucky played in the championship game in '96,'97, and '98.

And, they won in 96 and 98 - went to overtime in 97 (very close to the three-peat)
 
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I think the poster indirectly makes two good points. The first is that, at the end of the day, people care about what you did in the tournament, not so much the regular season. In some cases, like UT this year, that is measured by the fact that they got in. I'm not saying folks aren't disappointed in not getting further, but I think when you look back at this in a couple of years the season will be considered a great success because no one expected anything out of UT and you made the tournament.

And, as pointed out by me and many others on here, there is a stepping stone system usually in place such that the really good programs get measured by consistency in making it in and then in terms of Sweet 16's and Final Fours. Only time will tell if the momentum Pearl has generated will continue -- I think it will -- but you got to start somewhere and this year was one heckuva' good one.

Even though Florida similarly had very low expectations, once the ball got rolling (so to speak) I believe the standard for success became making the Sweet 16 because, oncie it was clear Florida would make the tournament, the fans and the media started viewing things in the context of the last 5 years' worth of early NCAA exits. Florida is a long way away from being thought of in the same breath as Kentucky, Kansas, North Carolina, and Duke. But Florida is probably well on its way to being thought of with the likes of Maryland, UConn, Villanova, and the like, and that ain't bad. It takes time and continued success to be viewed as big time.

The second indirect point is that UT cannot measure its status by how it did in the regular season against teams that advanced far into the tournament. It HURTS you to do this. Why? Look at the post -- the guy asks whether UT's twice beating Florida during the regular season means UT underachieved. Absolutely not!! You don't set the benchmark for UT's success by saying that, because it beat Florida twice in the regular season, it must get further in the tournament. Too many variables. For one, UT did run out of steam as the season ended. We Florida fans know all about that, trust me! Also, Florida got a pretty favorable draw and peaked at the right time whereas UT ran into a team that defended them well.

My point is that you need to look at the bigger picture and not deem your season a success or failure based on whether the regular season set you up for disappointment, but rather whether you made the tournament and, if you did, did you play well and make a deep run. The more times you make it, the more likely it is that you will get further and further and further. And the more times you make it and the further you get next time, the greater the program's image overall as seasons come and go.

I personally think UT is in a great spot to really become an annual contender for the tournament and, with it, some deeper runs.

 
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That is very well put LG. I believe UT is in great position to establish themselves as contenders year in and year out. The most important thing is to have a coach who can get his players to buy into his system. CBP has proven he can do that with players he didn't recruit. It will just get easier when he gets his own recruits in. When that happens, look out SEC.

Also, good luck this weekend in the Final Four. I'll be pulling for the Gators!
 
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(GAVol @ Mar 29 said:
I think Arkansas may have been to 3 Final Fours also.

EDIT: OK, I just checked. Arkansas has been to 3 Final Fours, but one of them was in 1990 which was a couple of years before they joined the SEC.

It was Nolan Richardson's 40 minutes of hell
 
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(rockydoc @ Mar 29 said:
BTW Florida has been to the final four three times in the past 12 years ( 1994,2000, and 2006). I believe this is the most in the SEC. Who says they are a football school?

I wouldn't really call UF a football school...more of good all around sports school that isn't dominate in one paticular sport.
 
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yeah...you certainly cant consider florida a football school only any more especially considering the fact that the were in the world series of college last year against texas...they are actually one of the premier teams in D-1 as far as athletics are concerned.
 
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