Big Man Question

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JManVolFan

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Is it just the style of play that Bruce uses that makes us not utilize Big Uglies down low, like say Georgetown and UCONN, Louisville etc does? Or is it just that hard to recruit a Center that wants to run hard for full game? That always seemed to be a glaring weakness of ours come tournament time. Sure you can win without one and i know Kenny Hall, B. Williams are big men but you just don't see us posting up and dumping the ball down on the block enough imo.:dunno: Why is this happening exactly? GO VOLS!
 
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The style of play is definitely more conducive to guards. The "bigs" in Bruce's system have to be very athletic. So far, I think he's been able to land guys like this.
 
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It's a guard intensive style of play. And guard play is huge come tournament time. I think more important than having a post up big man. shoot the J...SHOOT IT!!!
 
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no big man who is good will ever play in bruces terrible offense. don't get me wrong i like pearl, but his offense sucks. just like we will never be a true NC contender under pearl. the style of play shows that. sweet sixteens and possibly an elite 8 will be as good as it gets.
 
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Vol Mania 21 said:
no big man who is good will ever play in bruces terrible offense. don't get me wrong i like pearl, but his offense sucks. just like we will never be a true NC contender under pearl. the style of play shows that. sweet sixteens and possibly an elite 8 will be as good as it gets.
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Yeah, Memphis' lack of a dominant big man prevented them from going to the National Championship two seasons ago.

Wait....
 
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In his style of offense, we need big men who can get up and down the court. We haven't had a lot of post up offense from our bigs. Chism could be a factor, but doesn't really play post-up ball inside. I don't think there is any thing about our half-court offense that prevents a post-up game other than we really haven't had that type player. Hall, with some bulk, could develop into that type player.
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
In his style of offense, we need big men who can get up and down the court. We haven't had a lot of post up offense from our bigs. Chism could be a factor, but doesn't really play post-up ball inside. I don't think there is any thing about our half-court offense that prevents a post-up game other than we really haven't had that type player. Hall, with some bulk, could develop into that type player.
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Do you think Bruce would move more toward dumping into the post if you had that type of player down there, as opposed to working the open shot like they've done since he's been here?? Has he ever had a dominant post player that can press and run?
 
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It reminds me of some of the Phoenix offenses in the NBA.

Some giants are a good fit for a running o, but most are not.

By the way, under Pearl our defensive weakness has been guards or even guys like Christmas who are tall and have range. We have not lost a crucial game because of dominant play by a big man who lit us up.

Oden could not stop us, and he did not defeat us. We will also get to see in the Paradise tournament, TN play against one of the best bigs in the country if we get Purdue. I am more worried about teams with stellar guard play than teams with stud big men.

Kenny Hall may grow into the best fit for Pearls system at Center he has had since he has been here. I still think it is a huge head scratcher to me that Pearl took Jurick. Either I do not understand his system at all, or he took a guy who would not fit it unless he made some big time adjustments he was unwilling or unable to make.
 
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When we had Major Wingate i think it was in Bruces first year and a little of the 2nd if i remember correctly we did utilize him down low. It worked well too.
 
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Wingate is the only post we have had that allowed an inside post-up game. Unfortunately, he didn't come back for what could have been a great senior year. Yes, if we have a player who can post-up, we will absolutely see results in the post-up game with our offense.
 
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JManVolFan said:
I guess game winning shots don't count as defeating us? Or do you mean in the overall spectrum of the game?
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Overall. He did not go off for 30, 18 and 8 blocks or something.

He also was bleeding and it was against the rules for him to be on the floor during the period when he hit the game winner.

It is actually surprising when you look at OSU, Kansas, Texas etc, even the most fervent Bruce haters would say that big men have never killed us offensively. Now most of them would say that it is unnecessary for Big men to kill you when guards are getting open shots that fall, but anyway I think Pearl with bigs like T Harris and Kenny Hall who can run all day will be doing very well as we move forward.
 
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Again, you seem to forget the block he made that actually won the game!! Big men can hurt you without scoring tons of points or getting tons of rebounds.
 
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tclowers23 said:
Yeah, Memphis' lack of a dominant big man prevented them from going to the National Championship two seasons ago.

Wait....
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never said that you had to have a dominant big man to win a NC. maybe you should re-read what i said. i said with Pearl's offense we win never be a true NC contender.
 
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Vol Mania 21 said:
never said that you had to have a dominant big man to win a NC. maybe you should re-read what i said. i said with Pearl's offense we win never be a true NC contender.
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You were talking about the need for a big man--now say you don't think a big man is needed. What exactly are you trying to say? You don't like our offense?:huh:
 
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Vol Mania 21 said:
no big man who is good will ever play in bruces terrible offense. don't get me wrong i like pearl, but his offense sucks. just like we will never be a true NC contender under pearl. the style of play shows that. sweet sixteens and possibly an elite 8 will be as good as it gets.
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all i said was that no good big man will want to play in his offense. i'm not sure where exactly everyone here thinks i said that you have to have a good big man to win a NC. with that being said as far as his offense goes, i'm sorry the flex will not win a NC for Pearl.
 
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Vol Mania 21 said:
all i said was that no good big man will want to play in his offense. i'm not sure where exactly everyone here thinks i said that you have to have a good big man to win a NC. with that being said as far as his offense goes, i'm sorry the flex will not win a NC for Pearl.
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I think it all depends on the players, but history shows you may be correct.

NOTE: Bruce did win a D-II National Championship with this system, albeit his talent level at USI was far superior to most D-II programs.
 
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tclowers23 said:
I think it all depends on the players, but history shows you may be correct.

NOTE: Bruce did win a D-II National Championship with this system, albeit his talent level at USI was far superior to most D-II programs.
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We have all debated this before. Gary Williams won the NC running the flex. Granted it obviously hasn't been done many times, but it has happened.
 
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Players win NC, not necessarily the particular offense. If you have great players, any offense looks pretty good.
 
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A Championships are won by teams who are hot at the time. It could be a team with a great big man or a team with not a great big man. Its just the team who is hot at the time.
 
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Yeah, your right. We had better offense with O'Neil!

Seriously, I think he just needs to have top 50 talent, and players that fit his system, and we will be fine. We may not be final 4 every year, but we will get there...and compete.

In Tennessee, we have a few things going against us in basketball, but I just don't think coaching is one of them...Time will tell.
 
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Tobias Harris. Now did you mean 7 foot centers? or big men in general because this harris kid looks to be the real deal and he picked UT
 
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Vol Mania 21 said:
no big man who is good will ever play in bruces terrible offense. don't get me wrong i like pearl, but his offense sucks. just like we will never be a true NC contender under pearl. the style of play shows that. sweet sixteens and possibly an elite 8 will be as good as it gets.
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Thank you for a good laugh.
 
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when i played in school we ran almost the same offense and we were 39 and 3 and won every tourny we played .we were going to play in a tourny at rupp with 32 teams from 10 states and our ad decieded we had played enough.he figured if we one we would be playing 5 to 8 more games
 
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