Big 12 still doomed?

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According to Tom Dienhart, Tommy Tuberville said on Rivals Radio this morning he believes the Big 12 won't last long.
 
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I agree. I bet they add 2 more teams pretty soon, despite all their talk about not doing so.
 
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hmanvolfan said:
I bet he's been kicking himself in the butt ever since Kiffie bailed out for the left coast. He probably would've had a shot at the Tennessee job if he hadn't taken the Texas Tech job.
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Call me crazy but I wouldn't have minded having Tuberville. I think he was a solid coach at Auburn. He could recruit but the spread just wasn't for him.
 
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#10_Ainge_#10 said:
Call me crazy but I wouldn't have minded having Tuberville. I think he was a solid coach at Auburn. He could recruit but the spread just wasn't for him.
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Ok, your crazy.
He might have been 'solid' but it was at a time when Bama was down as well as LSU. As soon as they came back around he faded to mediocrity. Getting him is nothing but a lateral move from Fulmer at best. Look at his overall record, seccg appearences, and BCS games. It's worse than Phil.
I wasn't thrilled with the LK pick and am not sold on DD yet but Tubbs was not the answer.
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GreveHaller said:
Ok, your crazy.
He might have been 'solid' but it was at a time when Bama was down as well as LSU. As soon as they came back around he faded to mediocrity. Getting him is nothing but a lateral move from Fulmer at best. Look at his overall record, seccg appearences, and BCS games. It's worse than Phil.
I wasn't thrilled with the LK pick and am not sold on DD yet but Tubbs was not the answer.
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What's Fulmer's record against Tuberville? He couldn't help it bammer was down. We don't know how he would have fared against Saban. Or do we? Tuberville had a record against Saban when he was at LSU. What was it?
 
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If the Big 12/8 dies. I would like to see MU to the SEC. It would make for some crazy saturdays in this house.
 
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I think today is the most annoyed I've ever been with mark may on cfb live when he was telling tubbs to shut it essentially because he wasn't Mack brown or bob stoops, and that those two are the only ones with a right to complain.

May proving once again he's easily the biggest clown espn trots out on tv.
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I'd personally like to see the Big 12 breakup. The MWC takes KU, K-State, and Iowa State. While the top Big 12 teams go to the PAC/SEC. Then also add Gonzanga for Basketball only and we aren't to shabby in BBall either.

I still think adding Houston could be a viable option. The Houston market is Huge. I see Baylor getting left out of any major conference if the Big12 breaks up. Conference USA would be a good fit for them.
 
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hmanvolfan said:
What's Fulmer's record against Tuberville? He couldn't help it bammer was down. We don't know how he would have fared against Saban. Or do we? Tuberville had a record against Saban when he was at LSU. What was it?
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Tommy was at Auburn from 1999-2008. During that time his record was 85-40, won 1 SEC title, won 3 divisions and went to 1 BCS game.

During the same period (99-08) Phil's record was 85-41, 0 SEC titles, won 4 divisions, and went to 1 BCS game. Virtually the same as Tommy's.

When Phil was let go it was because of the teams performance therefore a coach that could do more. Hiring Tommy is giving you the exact same coach. A Phil II. That's not what the program needed nor wanted.

Tommy Tubberville was not the answer.
 
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CornPoke said:
I'd personally like to see the Big 12 breakup. The MWC takes KU, K-State, and Iowa State. While the top Big 12 teams go to the PAC/SEC. Then also add Gonzanga for Basketball only and we aren't to shabby in BBall either.

I still think adding Houston could be a viable option. The Houston market is Huge. I see Baylor getting left out of any major conference if the Big12 breaks up. Conference USA would be a good fit for them.
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Who takes Gonzaga now?
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GreveHaller said:
Tommy was at Auburn from 1999-2008. During that time his record was 85-40, won 1 SEC title, won 3 divisions and went to 1 BCS game.

During the same period (99-08) Phil's record was 85-41, 0 SEC titles, won 4 divisions, and went to 1 BCS game. Virtually the same as Tommy's.

When Phil was let go it was because of the teams performance therefore a coach that could do more. Hiring Tommy is giving you the exact same coach. A Phil II. That's not what the program needed nor wanted.

Tommy Tubberville was not the answer.
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Not to split hairs, but I think Hman asked for Tubervilles individual record against Fulmer, and his record against Saban, not the overall body of work which you provided.

Since I had a moment, I found the stats. Tuberville was 3-3 against Fulmer, and 4-2 against Saban.

How the SEC coaches rate against their peers - SEC Blog - ESPN
 
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to address a few things;

Tubbs is a great hire for Tech and brings a lot of class to a town that hasnt ever had any. He was a damn fine coach at AU, and he woulda been a helluva a lot better than what yall have in Knoxville right now.

The Big12-2 is not going to last long enough to add anyone, nor should they. The 10 left are all under the impression that the end is near. We dont need to add anyone. The markets that have supported this conference, are already tuned in. Losing Denver and Lincoln did very little.

When this thing does break, I hope like hell that Baylor goes to the WAC. They'll find success in football there.

Lastly, and we have gone over this a thousand times, and I'll say it once more;

Texas does not need aTm or Oklahoma. They do however, have to play em'.
 
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
Not to split hairs, but I think Hman asked for Tubervilles individual record against Fulmer, and his record against Saban, not the overall body of work which you provided.

Since I had a moment, I found the stats. Tuberville was 3-3 against Fulmer, and 4-2 against Saban.

How the SEC coaches rate against their peers - SEC Blog - ESPN
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What's the point of comparing Tommy and Phil? Two coaches in two different divisions. They only played either other on a rotation or in a SECCG. The point is that when Tubb was in his heyday, Bama and LSU were just coming off some bad times. There was no one else in the west that competed so its almost by default Auburn won. Once the competetion got heated, Auburn fell to the middle of the pack. Phil on the other hand had to deal with Richt, Spurrier and then Myers every single year - coaches not having to rebuild programs. (ok UF going from Zook to CM was a bit of a rebuild but nothing like LSU or Bama had to do). Swapping Tubbs for Phil would do nothing for our program and we'd stayed in the middle of the pack.

So instead of looking only at the record of coach vs coach, I showed both coaches over the same period. Virtually identical. If he was the option, then why even get rid of Phil?
 
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GreveHaller said:
What's the point of comparing Tommy and Phil? Two coaches in two different divisions. They only played either other on a rotation or in a SECCG. The point is that when Tubb was in his heyday, Bama and LSU were just coming off some bad times. There was no one else in the west that competed so its almost by default Auburn won. Once the competetion got heated, Auburn fell to the middle of the pack. Phil on the other hand had to deal with Richt, Spurrier and then Myers every single year - coaches not having to rebuild programs. (ok UF going from Zook to CM was a bit of a rebuild but nothing like LSU or Bama had to do). Swapping Tubbs for Phil would do nothing for our program and we'd stayed in the middle of the pack.

So instead of looking only at the record of coach vs coach, I showed both coaches over the same period. Virtually identical. If he was the option, then why even get rid of Phil?
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I understand both your points, but neither of them concern me or my point of view. I was merely helping by providing the information that he asked for, on top of what you provided.
 
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I think the general consensus on this board was 5 years or less. It seems less and less likely it will last past the end of the next season. I wonder if the debate rages in that conferences presidents and ad offices whether or not to fold now before the season starts. Would that even be possible?
 
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