Bennie Wylie more conditioning, less strength

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I have a friend who used to be an Assistant Strength and Conditioning Coach to Shannon Turley at Stanford, let's say his name is "Luke".

We had a long conversation about a month ago regarding Bennie Wylie. Now I don't profess to know a lot about S&C, but Luke knows his stuff, not saying he's the best or even smarter than any other S&C coach but he does know what he's talking about and was directly responsible for Toby Gehrhart's improvement and development.

He said the general consensus is that there are two types of S&C Coaches, there are the Player Development Coaches and there are the RA! RA! Coaches.

Luke calls BW a RA! RA! Coach, which focuses more on Conditioning type workouts and less in strength, general development, etc.
Now he said there is nothing inherently wrong with this model, it's just that different schools are able to run their S&C program in different ways, sometimes it depends on there schemes and others it depends on their talent.
He said the reality is, that at a place like Stanford, player development is a necessity, they cannot always get the best and greatest talent in the country, it's just not going to happen because of academics, so they must focus on development, same thing with smaller schools, less known, etc.

He also said that any coach that actually participates in workouts is not really coaching, which BW does do. Again though, he said this may all be part of the plan or template at Tennessee, he may have assistants that are actually doing the "coaching" part and that he is simply the big scary drill sergeant that all the players are "afraid" of and that he is actually just the "face" of the program.

All of what he said made sense though I don't necessarily agree. What I do feel is that Strength and Conditioning from a Coaches standpoint has more opinions than The View.

I don't know if he's right or wrong, I just thought it was an interesting perspective on our program.
 
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I have a friend who used to be an Assistant Strength and Conditioning Coach to Shannon Turley at Stanford, let's say his name is "Luke".

We had a long conversation about a month ago regarding Bennie Wylie. Now I don't profess to know a lot about S&C, but Luke knows his stuff, not saying he's the best or even smarter than any other S&C coach but he does know what he's talking about and was directly responsible for Tony Gehrhart's improvement and development.

He said the general consensus is that there are two types of S&C Coaches, there are the Player Development Coaches and there are the RA! RA! Coaches.

Luke calls BW a RA! RA! Coach, which focuses more on Conditioning type workouts and less in strength, general development, etc.
Now he said there is nothing inherently wrong with this model, it's just that different schools are able to run their S&C program in different ways, sometimes it depends on there schemes and others it depends on their talent.
He said the reality is, that at a place like Stanford, player development is a necessity, they cannot always get the best and greatest talent in the country, it's just not going to happen because of academics, so they must focus on development, same thing with smaller schools, less known, etc.

He also said that any coach that actually participates in workouts is not really coaching, which BW does do. Again though, he said this may all be part of the plan or template at Tennessee, he may have assistants that are actually doing the "coaching" part and that he is simply the big scary drill sergeant that all the players are "afraid" of and that he is actually just the "face" of the program.

All of what he said made sense though I don't necessarily agree. What I do feel is that Strength and Conditioning from a Coaches standpoint has more opinions than The View.

I don't know if he's right or wrong, I just thought it was an interesting perspective on our program.

Toby Gerhart
 
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So there are "ra ra" coaches and "player development" coaches, but no "ra ra & player development" coaches?
 
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has this guy ever coached with Wylie and seen his methods or is just making comments based on what you told him?
 
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I don't care how Bennie conditions as long as the boys are ready to play. I like what I have seen out of Wylie so far.
 
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"Luke" sounds like a pompous know-it-all D-bagger. Wylie would cut this chump's heart out with a spoon if he heard him talkin' all this shiz.
 
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I have a friend who used to be an Assistant Strength and Conditioning Coach to Shannon Turley at Stanford, let's say his name is "Luke".

We had a long conversation about a month ago regarding Bennie Wylie. Now I don't profess to know a lot about S&C, but Luke knows his stuff, not saying he's the best or even smarter than any other S&C coach but he does know what he's talking about and was directly responsible for Toby Gehrhart's improvement and development.

He said the general consensus is that there are two types of S&C Coaches, there are the Player Development Coaches and there are the RA! RA! Coaches.

Luke calls BW a RA! RA! Coach, which focuses more on Conditioning type workouts and less in strength, general development, etc.
Now he said there is nothing inherently wrong with this model, it's just that different schools are able to run their S&C program in different ways, sometimes it depends on there schemes and others it depends on their talent.
He said the reality is, that at a place like Stanford, player development is a necessity, they cannot always get the best and greatest talent in the country, it's just not going to happen because of academics, so they must focus on development, same thing with smaller schools, less known, etc.

He also said that any coach that actually participates in workouts is not really coaching, which BW does do. Again though, he said this may all be part of the plan or template at Tennessee, he may have assistants that are actually doing the "coaching" part and that he is simply the big scary drill sergeant that all the players are "afraid" of and that he is actually just the "face" of the program.

All of what he said made sense though I don't necessarily agree. What I do feel is that Strength and Conditioning from a Coaches standpoint has more opinions than The View.

I don't know if he's right or wrong, I just thought it was an interesting perspective on our program.

The players that buy in are gaining strength(and weight) plus getting in ridiculously good shape. I don't think that we have a bad strategy or coach.

I am not saying there aren't better coaches or methods out there, but I think our program's is good.
 
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Shannon Turley
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Bennie Wylie
 
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I met a guy who coached with Bennie Wylie. He's now at Louisville and he says Wylie is one of the best in the biz.
 
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Interesting. however, I would guess if you ask 50 different SC coaches they would give you 50 different philosophies and techniques. I also know someone close to the program and they told me Wiley was the real deal, and they loved Asmuson (spelling) - pointed out the positive "development" of Malik Jackson (who this person claimed, came in looking like NFL material but out of shape) I also found it interesting that no one crosses Bennie - he holds a lot of respect around the players - was told if someone "acts up" they talk to Dooley and Bennie is sitting right next to him. All I know is that the players, coaches, and people that work around him respect him and think he is doing a great job. Hopefully we can hold on to him for a couple years. If we don't, I'm confident we will get a new SC coach just as good with different philosophies...especially with the new weight room!
 
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If I have coach that puts in the blood, sweat, and tears beside me, I've got more respect for him.
 
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The players that buy in are gaining strength(and weight) plus getting in ridiculously good shape. I don't think that we have a bad strategy or coach.

I am not saying there aren't better coaches or methods out there, but I think our program's is good.

The only thing that has disappointed me about Dooley is his decision to replace our S&C coach. He got rid of one of the best young S&C coaches in the Nation, a Tennessee graduate, and a coach who gave his heart and
soul for our VOLS.
 
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By all accounts Texas Tech was the best conditioned/developed team in the Big 12. BWs reputation is based on results not just his style.
 
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The only thing that has disappointed me about Dooley is his decision to replace our S&C coach. He got rid of one of the best young S&C coaches in the Nation, a Tennessee graduate, and a coach who gave his heart and
soul for our VOLS.

Being a TN graduate and loving the Vols are not requirements for the job, nor are they reasons Dooley should ever take in to consideration when hiring anyone on staff.

Ausmus and Wylie are both really good at what they do. Both are well respected amongst their peers for their talents. While a lot of principles of S&C are the same no matter what, philosophies can vastly differ. It is no different than the differences in football coaches.

Simply put, Wylie was more in-tune with what Dooley wanted vs. Ausmus.
 
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isn't this the guy who was crying about Stanford being classless due to shifting?

No that was me. I still stand behind my statement. Although this is not the thread to get into it on that subject.

BW seems like he is the real deal. I dont understand "Luke's" philosiphy of Benny being interactive during the workout making him not a coach. I think he is doing the workouts trying to push the guys as hard or harder than him. I like the idea of him doing the workouts. You know the guys are wanting to one up him. Last thing you want is your coach to out work you. I hope we can keep this staff together for a few years. Would be nice for these kids to keep some consistency in the staff. And all be on the same page for S&C.
 
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No that was me. I still stand behind my statement. Although this is not the thread to get into it on that subject.

BW seems like he is the real deal. I dont understand "Luke's" philosiphy of Benny being interactive during the workout making him not a coach. I think he is doing the workouts trying to push the guys as hard or harder than him. I like the idea of him doing the workouts. You know the guys are wanting to one up him. Last thing you want is your coach to out work you. I hope we can keep this staff together for a few years. Would be nice for these kids to keep some consistency in the staff. And all be on the same page for S&C.

reel*
 
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By all accounts Texas Tech was the best conditioned/developed team in the Big 12. BWs reputation is based on results not just his style.

This is the answer... if there was actually a question.

BW's resume was what he did with TTU's S&C program.
 
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So there are "ra ra" coaches and "player development" coaches, but no "ra ra & player development" coaches?

You can have it in black or white, because as we know, there are no colors between that.

:crazy:

Sometimes I feel like drinking myself retarded after reading things here.

:banghead2:
 

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