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jakez4ut said:
my biggest concern is if this continues, and it continues to be newsworthy if for nothing else than the volume of these minor mishaps, and that's what they are, how long do you think it will be before the NCAA gets the notion that Kiffin or UT might be turning their nose up to the NCAA? at what point does the NCAA say enough is enough, and it start looking for a flame where some smoke certainly exists?
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But is UT even out of line when compared to other schools? From everything I've seen these happen in similar numbers at every school. I believe Tuberville even said he did it on purpose to get Cadillac because he knew nothing would come of it. We are getting more exposure from them but the NCAA has the complete list and I hope does not rely on ESPN for their investigations
 
#27
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jakez4ut said:
that's fine and all, and this doesn't change my opinion on Kiffin, and however dumb the rule may be, i do think it extremely unacceptable to break the rule so blatently, or in the very least have someone apparenlty authorized to do this for Kiffin that apparently didn't know the rule or didn't go thru compliance first.

i mean, new employee or not, wouldn't you think that part of your training would be to at least know who and where the compliance folks are?

it's not a big deal, but when you talk about discipline, you have to have it even on the little things.

bottom line for me, this could have been easily avoided, shlouldn't have happened, and they do need to get a hold of these kinds of things, especially something like this that appears to have fallen completely thru the cracks.

my biggest concern is if this continues, and it continues to be newsworthy if for nothing else than the volume of these minor mishaps, and that's what they are, how long do you think it will be before the NCAA gets the notion that Kiffin or UT might be turning their nose up to the NCAA? at what point does the NCAA say enough is enough, and it start looking for a flame where some smoke certainly exists?

i'm all for publicity, but there is a point where it can turn on you and be a detriment.

they just need to control these little things better imo, if they are going to have as disciplined a program as i think they can have.
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I think that's just a little over the top, IMO Jake. Every school has secondary violations every year and Fulmer and Co. had their fair share of them. Reporting these things on ESPN has become somewhat of a new policy. Thing is, I wonder when they will start reporting all of them on there by all schools?? This to shall pass, and honestly shouldn't have even been reported. What do you expect though when people are just digging for things in a quiet time after Spring Camp??
 
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utvolpj said:
But is UT even out of line when compared to other schools? From everything I've seen these happen in similar numbers at every school. I believe Tuberville even said he did it on purpose to get Cadillac because he knew nothing would come of it. We are getting more exposure from them but the NCAA has the complete list and I hope does not rely on ESPN for their investigations
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I think that's just a little over the top, IMO Jake. Every school has secondary violations every year and Fulmer and Co. had their fair share of them. Reporting these things on ESPN has become somewhat of a new policy. Thing is, I wonder when they will start reporting all of them on there by all schools?? This to shall pass, and honestly shouldn't have even been reported. What do you expect though when people are just digging for things in a quiet time after Spring Camp??
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i realize that these things happen all the time, and that every school has them. and it's not the incident itself that concerns me.

you're both right, it's not that big of a deal, in and of itself, and the rule is, well let's just say severely outdated.

i guess my thing is considering how often, and for what reasons, Kiffin and UT have been in the news the last several months, this is not the light that needs to be continually shown upon this program. at some point it will wear out it's welcome.

the reason this is news for ESPN is because it's Lane Kiffin and he's been in the news. it creates fodder, and the same reason you started this thread is the same reasoning behind my post, except that i'm just speculating at what point will it not just be rival fans wanting to take shot, but the NCAA just tired of hearing and seeing about the contraversy in recruiting at Tennessee.

and yeah, i do think it was dumb to either break, or allow it to be broken, either way, such a minor rule knowing that it would likely generate discussions like this, and a mention on ESPN and the like.

it's been my experience, that if you take care of the small stuff, big stuff don't happen. that's all i'm saying.

my opinion on Kiffin and company hasn't changed because of this, but was a dumb mistake. it's like a holidng and 3rd and 1. not the end of the world, but i'd rather not have had it.
 
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#29
I suppose there are some legitimate reasons to keep coaches from talking about as yet unsigned players. And I suppose that the simplest solution to avoid the taks of having to discern between harmful violations and those that don't mnatter is to just make it a blanket rule.

But I agree this is not in the least bit a meaningful violation and will fade by lunchtime.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I suppose there are some legitimate reasons to keep coaches from talking about as yet unsigned players. And I suppose that the simplest solution to avoid the taks of having to discern between harmful violations and those that don't mnatter is to just make it a blanket rule.

But I agree this is not in the least bit a meaningful violation and will fade by lunchtime.
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The biggest problem I have with it law is the fact that it's plastered all over the internet, but they can't mention it. It's not like 1982, when most people had no clue who their team recruited until they started playing their sophomore or junior year. The NCAA is a joke when it comes to this right now.
 
#31
#31
CLK is not known for tolerating mistakes by assistants...I believe he dismissed one already for not picking him up on time at airport ?!
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
The biggest problem I have with it law is the fact that it's plastered all over the internet, but they can't mention it. It's not like 1982, when most people had no clue who their team recruited until they started playing their sophomore or junior year. The NCAA is a joke when it comes to this right now.
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Valid point. My thinking was that coaches being able to talk before signing could lead to all sorts of shennanigans and strategory between coaches going after certain players, plus put pressure on kids beyond what they already are feeling.

But it seems you are right that with the internet everybody has a pretty good idea of where the top 100+ prospects are leaning or considering at any given point in time.



gcb/hoosiervol said:
CLK is not known for tolerating mistakes by assistants...I believe he dismissed one already for not picking him up on time at airport ?!
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Please tell me you are kidding.
 
#35
#35
lawgator1 said:
Valid point. My thinking was that coaches being able to talk before signing could lead to all sorts of shennanigans and strategory between coaches going after certain players, plus put pressure on kids beyond what they already are feeling.

But it seems you are right that with the internet everybody has a pretty good idea of where the top 100+ prospects are leaning or considering at any given point in time.






Please tell me you are kidding.
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yes, and no.

in that SI pc he did a while back he talked about firing some folks associated at the program etc...and mentioned this tid bit about the guy being 25 minutes late to pick him up at the airport, and that was unacceptable etc...and that he had him fired.

it was later discovered, the guy was never fired....
 
#36
#36
just watched CFL and they pretty much illustrated the point i was trying to make. the violation was the lead story, followed directly by an account by account list of what's been going on lately...Daniel Hood's aggrevated rape charge and signing by UT, 11 players "leaving" the program, Pahokee comments, Meyer comments, other secondary violations etc...

again, each thing in and of itself is one thing, but it's the clumination of events of the last few months that make all this noteworthy.

and i still think Kiffin is the right guy for the job and in a couple three years we should be pretty good again. but i'm just ready for there to be something else to talk about. i'm waiting on there to be actual football to be discussed when Kiffin's name is brought up. until then, any/all criticism he or the program gets can be justified much in the same way it was presented today.
 
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