Bay Area Sports Links: Will Raiders target one of Kiffin's Vols in 2010 draft?

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Al Davis is just idiot enough to let his problems with CLK make him pass on the best player in the draft. They will just pick some no-name that runs a good 40 at their pro day.
 
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I hope he is dumb enough to pass on him. It would be more talent wasted if he went there
 
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brandonco05 said:
I hope he is dumb enough to pass on him. It would be more talent wasted if he went there
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As long as he makes the plays, the hits, and the stats. He'll get his deals, commercials, pro bowls, highlights, success, and will be known.

The only player on the field who's career success is judged by Super Bowls are QBs


That being said, I dont want him in oakland b/c i dont really like their fans
 
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Please, God, NO! I think we can rest easy though because the Raiders are known for having TERRIBLE drafts.....so that means they won't take EB.
 
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Here is a hope, what if it is clear he will be drafted by the raiders and decides to stay for his senior year.
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TrueOrange said:
As long as he makes the plays, the hits, and the stats. He'll get his deals, commercials, pro bowls, highlights, success, and will be known.

The only player on the field who's career success is judged by Super Bowls are QBs


That being said, I dont want him in oakland b/c i dont really like their fans
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I know i would still rather him go somewhere else
 
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VolinConcord said:
Here is a hope, what if it is clear he will be drafted by the raiders and decides to stay for his senior year.
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And give up 2nd pick status -news and recognition for both him and the school - and 2nd pick playing money?

I mean, only one player can do better than that in the draft. (And Leinart helped show that wont hold up year to year)
 
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TrueOrange said:
That being said, I dont want him in oakland b/c i dont really like their fans
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:banghead2::realmad:Seriously? That's about the dumbest thing I've heard in awhile. Don't judge all of us based on a few wahoos. You do have some sort of intelligence, right? So you do know that all fan bases are made up of different segments of society, right? Are all NASCAR fans beer swilling rednecks with mullets? No. Are all Yankee and Met fans mobster wannabes? No. Are all Eagle and Phillie fans jerks that boo Santa? No. By the same token, not all raider fans are knuckleheads.
I'm tired of everyone assuming that all raider fans dress up paint and masks, run with gangs, throw batteries at opposing players or pick fights with opposing fans. They are the same ones who probably whined and cried at ESPN's UT commercial. Hypocrites - every one of them.
Say you don't want EB to go to Oakland because you don't like Al Davis. Fine. Say you don't want his career to be wasted in such a dysfunctional franchise. That, unfortunately, is true right now. But, by god, don't lump all Raider fans with the ones you see in the news. There are a lot more of us than there are of them.
 
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karmazone said:
:banghead2::realmad:Seriously? That's about the dumbest thing I've heard in awhile. Don't judge all of us based on a few wahoos. You do have some sort of intelligence, right? So you do know that all fan bases are made up of different segments of society, right? Are all NASCAR fans beer swilling rednecks with mullets? No. Are all Yankee and Met fans mobster wannabes? No. Are all Eagle and Phillie fans jerks that boo Santa? No. By the same token, not all raider fans are knuckleheads.
I'm tired of everyone assuming that all raider fans dress up paint and masks, run with gangs, throw batteries at opposing players or pick fights with opposing fans. They are the same ones who probably whined and cried at ESPN's UT commercial. Hypocrites - every one of them.
Say you don't want EB to go to Oakland because you don't like Al Davis. Fine. Say you don't want his career to be wasted in such a dysfunctional franchise. That, unfortunately, is true right now. But, by god, don't lump all Raider fans with the ones you see in the news. There are a lot more of us than there are of them.
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All Florida fans have mullets and wear jorts! :)
 
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karmazone said:
:banghead2::realmad:Seriously? That's about the dumbest thing I've heard in awhile. Don't judge all of us based on a few wahoos. You do have some sort of intelligence, right? So you do know that all fan bases are made up of different segments of society, right? Are all NASCAR fans beer swilling rednecks with mullets? No. Are all Yankee and Met fans mobster wannabes? No. Are all Eagle and Phillie fans jerks that boo Santa? No. By the same token, not all raider fans are knuckleheads.
I'm tired of everyone assuming that all raider fans dress up paint and masks, run with gangs, throw batteries at opposing players or pick fights with opposing fans. They are the same ones who probably whined and cried at ESPN's UT commercial. Hypocrites - every one of them.
Say you don't want EB to go to Oakland because you don't like Al Davis. Fine. Say you don't want his career to be wasted in such a dysfunctional franchise. That, unfortunately, is true right now. But, by god, don't lump all Raider fans with the ones you see in the news. There are a lot more of us than there are of them.
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I am a 49er fan, and can honestly say the only fans that have had LESS to be happy about the last 8 years or so, are the poor Raiders fans. I cant tell you how much I admire your love for your team to stay a devoted fan, even though your owner is single handedly trying to destroy what he built, and giving you every reason to turn your back on the team. I wish for your sake that the senile idiot would sale or hand over the team to someone that isnt certifiable. I am glad Al took Heyward-Bey, since that let Crabtree drop in our laps.....but did you notice MC's families' response when Oakland passed on him? They were actually relieved. I hope your team gets it turned around man.....I just dont think it happens until Al dies.
 
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I know it... Every Sunday I sit at the cpu, spend an hour or so to find an internet feed that works, watch them stay in the game long enough to blow it at the end, and then wonder why I still do it. I've never been a bandwagon fan and I won't be one now. Was I seriously ticked off when they passed on the crabman? You know it. But the rationalization has already begun. My hopes are starting rise, again I'm going to hope that the old man knows what's best, and, come training camp, I'll hope for an 8-8 season that probably won't come.
But you know what's worse? I actually have to convince the guys on the Raider board that I frequent that EB is better than Taylor Mays! A lot of them are USC homers and are drooling over him!
 
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karmazone said:
:banghead2::realmad:Seriously? That's about the dumbest thing I've heard in awhile. Don't judge all of us based on a few wahoos. You do have some sort of intelligence, right? So you do know that all fan bases are made up of different segments of society, right? Are all NASCAR fans beer swilling rednecks with mullets? No. Are all Yankee and Met fans mobster wannabes? No. Are all Eagle and Phillie fans jerks that boo Santa? No. By the same token, not all raider fans are knuckleheads.
I'm tired of everyone assuming that all raider fans dress up paint and masks, run with gangs, throw batteries at opposing players or pick fights with opposing fans. They are the same ones who probably whined and cried at ESPN's UT commercial. Hypocrites - every one of them.
Say you don't want EB to go to Oakland because you don't like Al Davis. Fine. Say you don't want his career to be wasted in such a dysfunctional franchise. That, unfortunately, is true right now. But, by god, don't lump all Raider fans with the ones you see in the news. There are a lot more of us than there are of them.
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I never said all raiders fans are anything. Someone's a little quick to jump on defense to this. I never lump all a team's fans into one category, b/c I know that the UT fanbase isn't all illiterate country bumpkins like people in say CT might think.

I'd be fine if he went to oakland - even if Al, at his old age, has run the team down into the ground - b/c i am a big proponent of the idea that a great player doesn't have to win super bowls to be great (Barry Sanders), but for some reason sometimes it seems that fans think that a player going to a Super Bowl in a minor role is a bigger deal than a great player getting media recognition, stats, pro bowls, etc. or that "only being on a Super Bowl winning team makes you great." And of course you have to draft good players to actually make a team good.

I never associated any group of fans all as one thing. I don't call them knuckleheads either. Don't care at all about how they dress, never thought they "ran with gangs" and I for one never lumped you or anyone specific into this category.

That being said, their fanbase is the only one in the NFL I've seen where some fan struck a player while he was walking off the field (punched 1st too). That should never happen during an NFL game! I have a friend from their too, who the two games he went to saw fights started. Again, I'm not saying that everyone's in this mold - b/c I'm sure most aren't - but this has happened with them more than once. And when stuff like that repeatedly happens, it means there's an issue/ something wrong usually. Either it there's a chunk of rowdy fans or security needs to be changed up/reevaluated at the stadium. I don't think that all raiders fans are like that again. But seeing/hearing about so many do that stuff seen in those games and seeing it so often i guess just makes me have a disdain or distaste for the fanbase as a whole maybe.

Again, I don't think they're all like that, and if I upset you or you thought I lumped you into that general category, then I apologize for that too. I don't think you do any of that.

Oh and while i'm at it, I never heard anything about all Yankees or Mets being mobsters (really?). Nor all fans from philly being jerks (though some of them (a friend specifically :)) do switch off from being "our team is the best thing ever" to crying and cursing mcnabb and reid as junk/terrible/retarded). Oh, and I don't think everyone British watches soccer, get drunk, and then starts a fight the first chance they get, forgot that one. :)
 
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karmazone said:
I know it... Every Sunday I sit at the cpu, spend an hour or so to find an internet feed that works, watch them stay in the game long enough to blow it at the end, and then wonder why I still do it. I've never been a bandwagon fan and I won't be one now. Was I seriously ticked off when they passed on the crabman? You know it. But the rationalization has already begun. My hopes are starting rise, again I'm going to hope that the old man knows what's best, and, come training camp, I'll hope for an 8-8 season that probably won't come.
But you know what's worse? I actually have to convince the guys on the Raider board that I frequent that EB is better than Taylor Mays! A lot of them are USC homers and are drooling over him!
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You guys have had about what, 2-3 bad seasons now, by the rules of general NFL parity it ought to be turning around in the next year or so. Chin up. If they get the right players too (say draft berry if they're in that position, maybe make some trades or sign some good free agents) then maybe they can have it by year after next.

They had a nice little spurt there at the end and beat some teams they weren't supposed to, maybe they can carry the momentum over into next season. Who knows? But the division does look kinda nice w/ what happened to Denver , KC's current state, and San Diego still possibly going downhill on the norv turner express (though some people might debate that last one)
 
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TrueOrange said:
I never said all raiders fans are anything. Someone's a little quick to jump on defense to this. I never lump all a team's fans into one category, b/c I know that the UT fanbase isn't all illiterate country bumpkins like people in say CT might think.
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Look, I'm sorry if I jumped on you, but you said you didn't like the fans. And every time that I've ever heard someone say they didn't like raider fans, it was because they didn't like the fights, they didn't like the costumes, they didn't like NWA wearing raider stuff back in the day.
And you know what I meant about the fan bases -- The stereotypical Philly fan boos everything. The stereotypical Yankee fan is an Italian that has that unmistakable New York accent ("Ay, Pisan!" "Fugeddaboutit!" "Ya bum!" etc), oiled-up hair, a leather jacket and gold chain. The same thing happens with Raider fans. The first thing everyone thinks of are the ones that dress up and the ones that cause trouble. You just admitted as much yourself:

TrueOrange said:
But seeing/hearing about so many do that stuff seen in those games and seeing it so often i guess just makes me have a disdain or distaste for the fanbase as a whole maybe.
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I've had acquaintances get kicked out of games at opposing stadiums just for being Raider fans. The opposing team's fans call security, lie to them about the Raider fan's conduct, and get him kicked out. Security believed them because, well, he was a Raider fan so he must be rowdy.
Two years ago, when the Raiders beat Miami in Miami, a Raider fan and his young son were leaving the game, and liquored up Dolphin fans were cussing them and deriding them the entire way to their car. It was all the guy could do not to stand up for himself, but he knew better -- and the Dolphin fans should have as well.
And as for a fan hitting a player, should you not hate Ohio State because Woody Hayes choked that guy on Clemson? That should never happen, either, and that's the only time I've ever seen it.
I guess, like I said before, I'm just tired of most everyone lumping all raider fans (or even most) in with the guys that cause havoc. It's hard enough to sit through such a horrible stretch that we've had to sit through without everyone else piling on.
Not to mention, at first you said you didn't want EB to go to Oakland, but now you would be fine with it. I'm guessing your first answer is closer to the truth.
 
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TrueOrange said:
You guys have had about what, 2-3 bad seasons now
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Try 6. The best record in that time was 5-11, the worst 2-14. My chin is always up. There's no point in being a fan if you go into every year and every game already admitting defeat.

I'm not putting too much stock into the end of last year. Cincinnati was a perennially horrible team in the 90's, yet they always did well when they were mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. They never did well the beginnings of the next year. I'm just hoping DHB's hands are better than reported, and his UM quarterbacks were worse.
 
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karmazone said:
:banghead2::realmad:Seriously? That's about the dumbest thing I've heard in awhile. Don't judge all of us based on a few wahoos. You do have some sort of intelligence, right? So you do know that all fan bases are made up of different segments of society, right? Are all NASCAR fans beer swilling rednecks with mullets? No. Are all Yankee and Met fans mobster wannabes? No. Are all Eagle and Phillie fans jerks that boo Santa? No. By the same token, not all raider fans are knuckleheads.
I'm tired of everyone assuming that all raider fans dress up paint and masks, run with gangs, throw batteries at opposing players or pick fights with opposing fans. They are the same ones who probably whined and cried at ESPN's UT commercial. Hypocrites - every one of them.
Say you don't want EB to go to Oakland because you don't like Al Davis. Fine. Say you don't want his career to be wasted in such a dysfunctional franchise. That, unfortunately, is true right now. But, by god, don't lump all Raider fans with the ones you see in the news. There are a lot more of us than there are of them.
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A little defensive, are we? Why don't you tell us why you, someone who lives 3000 miles away from Oakland, chose to be a Raider fan? If it wasn't the badass Kiss-wannabe image -- the same brand that attracts fans who dress up like pirates and throw batteries -- then what was it? You really admired Ken Stabler at Alabama, and kept following his career in the pros?

Of course not ALL Raider fans are as bad as the stereotype. But the fact is that they sell an image, and somewhere along the line you bought into that brand too. It's a little rich to be blasting somebody because they've taken that brand and twisted it two inches farther into a stereotype.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
A little defensive, are we? Why don't you tell us why you, someone who lives 3000 miles away from Oakland, chose to be a Raider fan? If it wasn't the badass Kiss-wannabe image -- the same brand that attracts fans who dress up like pirates and throw batteries -- then what was it? You really admired Ken Stabler at Alabama, and kept following his career in the pros?
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fair question. Here's a little history on myself. I grew up in Dyersburg, Tennessee. At the time, the closest NFL team to me was Cincinnati. It's not like we went to the games or watched them on TV or anything. My dad is an ardent UT fan, but he was a Packer fan in the NFL. If the Pack were on, he'd watch, but it wasn't to the level of his adoration of all things orange. In 1991, when I was 12, I saw the raiders on TV and liked their colors. And that is why I started following them. I liked the Silver and Black. I missed the glory days of the 70's, I missed Plunkett, and I missed the Shanahan fiasco. I missed most of Howie Long's career. So, you see, I didn't buy into a brand of misfits. I didn't buy into Al Davis versus Pete Rozelle. I bought into some cool looking colors. And when the Titans came to Tennessee, I had already been a raider fan for some 6 years. I couldn't give it up just like that.

Vercingetorix said:
Of course not ALL Raider fans are as bad as the stereotype. But the fact is that they sell an image, and somewhere along the line you bought into that brand too. It's a little rich to be blasting somebody because they've taken that brand and twisted it two inches farther into a stereotype.
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They sell an image? I think that stopped in the 80's. There are no more Jack Tatum late hits. They don't bring in trouble makers anymore (with the exception of Randy Moss). All of Al Davis' court battles have been settled. Look at the guys they drafted, for crying out loud. Every one of them might as well be choir boys!
And I think there is a difference between selling fans on a brand and stereotyping all fans as quintessential embodiments of such a brand. Even if the team played the same way they played in the 70's (the offense actually did play that way in Art Shell's second tenure. But I digress...)
Even if the team did play with the reckless abandon that they played with in the 70's, there's no need to take it two inches farther and include the fan base. Every fan base has got some rowdies in it, just like my Raiders do. But, because of the costumes and Oakland being a rough city, our fan's transgressions get magnified.
 
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