Bagget's hiring impact

[TENNaciousUTfan]

If we can somehow pull off a miracle and come away with both Ambles and Rogers, I hope that CDD comes to realize just how much impact it truly has on recruiting to have some NFL guys on staff, and preferably at the skill positions. It was having a clear impact in our recruiting before Kiffin left, and it looks like Bagget's hiring was a homerun for that position.

That's not to say he has to find NFL guys at each position, but when possible and feasible, it should carry a great deal of weight in the hiring decision process. And when we consider what we are up against with Florida, Bama and LSU (Georgia too some of the time), we need more so than anyone to have what Dooley called an "All Star" staff. Guys like Hinshaw, even if they turn out to eventually prove to be fairly good coaches, they will still be somewhat of a liability when it comes to recruiting...as they have nothing on their resume to impress a recruit.

Let's take Eddie Gran for example. Put him up against Hinshaw for a recruit in the same territory. Who do you think is going to come away the winner? Coaches have to be able to sell themselves to a recruit as much as the university. Willis bailed and went to UNC because, compared to Dooley and the staff in place, they had more to sell to a blue chip recruit with NFL aspirations....Butch Davis, Withers and Blake.

It's no secret around here that I wasn't too happy that Hamilton hired Dooley with better, more qualified candidates out there...but that's now water under the bridge. I just hope Dooley wakes up and realizes the significance of hiring BIG NAME/BIG SPLASH staff personnel when possible...as opposed to rolling the dice on what he thinks are up-N-comers. After all...the bigger the splash, the easier his job becomes.

To that end, with no DC or DL coach named, we are looking to take a massive hit with DT's. If John Brown doesn't qualify and Copeland goes elsewhere (very possible), we have just been shut out in an area of immensely critical need. In order for us to recover next year, I think we really need to go strong after Travis Jones (DL coach of the Saints) and then hire Chuck Smith. That would get some attention on the defensive side of the ball...just wait.

But if Dooley brings in Spangler and some other no name position coach for DL, we are in for a nuclear winter on the hill...and I personally predict that single act will spell his ouster in 2 seasons flat. It will get that ugly...that quick. If Dave Clawson taught us one thing...it's that this conference will chew up lower tier coaches and spit them out.

Let's hope he makes hires from here on out that all of Vol Nation, and future recruits, can get excited about.

 

[1vol]

If we can somehow pull off a miracle and come away with both Ambles and Rogers, I hope that CDD comes to realize just how much impact it truly has on recruiting to have some NFL guys on staff, and preferably at the skill positions. It was having a clear impact in our recruiting before Kiffin left, and it looks like Bagget's hiring was a homerun for that position.

That's not to say he has to find NFL guys at each position, but when possible and feasible, it should carry a great deal of weight in the hiring decision process. And when we consider what we are up against with Florida, Bama and LSU (Georgia too some of the time), we need more so than anyone to have what Dooley called an "All Star" staff. Guys like Hinshaw, even if they turn out to eventually prove to be fairly good coaches, they will still be somewhat of a liability when it comes to recruiting...as they have nothing on their resume to impress a recruit.

Let's take Eddie Gran for example. Put him up against Hinshaw for a recruit in the same territory. Who do you think is going to come away the winner? Coaches have to be able to sell themselves to a recruit as much as the university. Willis bailed and went to UNC because, compared to Dooley and the staff in place, they had more to sell to a blue chip recruit with NFL aspirations....Butch Davis, Withers and Blake.

It's no secret around here that I wasn't too happy that Hamilton hired Dooley with better, more qualified candidates out there...but that's now water under the bridge. I just hope Dooley wakes up and realizes the significance of hiring BIG NAME/BIG SPLASH staff personnel when possible...as opposed to rolling the dice on what he thinks are up-N-comers. After all...the bigger the splash, the easier his job becomes.

To that end, with no DC or DL coach named, we are looking to take a massive hit with DT's. If John Brown doesn't qualify and Copeland goes elsewhere (very possible), we have just been shut out in an area of immensely critical need. In order for us to recover next year, I think we really need to go strong after Travis Jones (DL coach of the Saints) and then hire Chuck Smith. That would get some attention on the defensive side of the ball...just wait.

But if Dooley brings in Spangler and some other no name position coach for DL, we are in for a nuclear winter on the hill...and I personally predict that single act will spell his ouster in 2 seasons flat. It will get that ugly...that quick. If Dave Clawson taught us one thing...it's that this conference will chew up lower tier coaches and spit them out.

Let's hope he makes hires from here on out that all of Vol Nation, and future recruits, can get excited about.

If we go to a 3-4 next year it might not be as crucial as if we stay in 4-3.I'll listen off air.

 

[Smokeybluetick]

Rogers quote's Baggett's resume whenever asked about the Vols!!!! Almost identical to Kippy Brown, both older,respected and come with a long list of pro bowl receivers that have played for them!!! Even without Ambles or Rogers our WR class is really nice, but with either or both it goes to woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow!!! V,B!

 

[soda23]

If we go to a 3-4 next year it might not be as crucial as if we stay in 4-3.I'll listen off air.

except we have no linebackers either

 

[MAJOR_ORANGE]

Most of Dooley's decisions have been well thought out. I'm sure he's aware of his need to make name recognition in choosing the rest of his staff. That being said he also has to find someone that makes a good fit to his system. So far he has put a lot of my fears to rest, and seems to know what he wants to do. Time will tell.

 

[volstexans]

If the scenario you described happens, I do think Baggett will be a big part of the reason, obviously.

However, instead of saying CDD made a good hire in Baggett for this reason, and saying his other hires won't be equally as good, why not wait for a little evidence.

Blind faith is one thing, but blind pessimism doesn't really make a lot of sense, unless you're just bitter.

 

[Imintnse]

except we have no linebackers either

We have a winner!

 

[HwyChile]

If the scenario you described happens, I do think Baggett will be a big part of the reason, obviously.

However, instead of saying CDD made a good hire in Baggett for this reason, and saying his other hires won't be equally as good, why not wait for a little evidence.

Blind faith is one thing, but blind pessimism doesn't really make a lot of sense, unless you're just bitter.

Well said. Some of the best coaches are not NFL guys and some of the best ones are young. Look at the staffs on the winning SEC programs as evidence.

 

[madbamahater]

We have no linebackers? We're fine there.

 

[fox1858]

If the scenario you described happens, I do think Baggett will be a big part of the reason, obviously.

However, instead of saying CDD made a good hire in Baggett for this reason, and saying his other hires won't be equally as good, why not wait for a little evidence.

Blind faith is one thing, but blind pessimism doesn't really make a lot of sense, unless you're just bitter.

I agree. Everyone at first had doubts about Double D, including myself. After reading his resume and seeing his press conference I felt like we had a good choice. I cant lie and say I didnt like the flashiness that coach X brought to the program but now that I have had time for the kool aid to process out of my body, I realize it is for the better because he would have hurt this program (although Fulmer did contribute to that the last couple of years). We dont even have a full staff and look what Double D has done. You dont need a full class of five star recruits to have a good team, sure it helps but you need the hidden gems who want to prove themselves to everyone that they were wrong. Just some thoughts.

 

[PoochPunt3rdDown]

I agree. Everyone at first had doubts about Double D, including myself. After reading his resume and seeing his press conference I felt like we had a good choice. I cant lie and say I didnt like the flashiness that coach X brought to the program but now that I have had time for the kool aid to process out of my body, I realize it is for the better because he would have hurt this program (although Fulmer did contribute to that the last couple of years). We dont even have a full staff and look what Double D has done. You dont need a full class of five star recruits to have a good team, sure it helps but you need the hidden gems who want to prove themselves to everyone that they were wrong. Just some thoughts.

Ditch the kool-aid and get a big glass of the Dool-Aid.

Go Vols!

 

[me_grag53]

As hard as it is for the fans, I like the idea that not everyone knows what all is going on at U.T. now. Let the enemy wonder. I will wait, impatiently, for our coaches to make their decisions public, and revel in the fact that other teams know as little about our business as we (the fans) do. Seems this is best for our coaching hires. I( if I were a coach) would hate for my present employer to find out in the media that I am actively seeking ,or at least entertaining offers form other places.

 

[BigHodgie]

these conversations are 3-4 years premature

 

[1SmokinVol]

Let's take Eddie Gran for example. Put him up against Hinshaw for a recruit in the same territory. Who do you think is going to come away the winner? Coaches have to be able to sell themselves to a recruit as much as the university. Willis bailed and went to UNC because, compared to Dooley and the staff in place, they had more to sell to a blue chip recruit with NFL aspirations....Butch Davis, Withers and Blake.

You obviously know nothing about Hinshaw.

 

[FittyElevem]

If we can somehow pull off a miracle and come away with both Ambles and Rogers, I hope that CDD comes to realize just how much impact it truly has on recruiting to have some NFL guys on staff, and preferably at the skill positions. It was having a clear impact in our recruiting before Kiffin left, and it looks like Bagget's hiring was a homerun for that position.

That's not to say he has to find NFL guys at each position, but when possible and feasible, it should carry a great deal of weight in the hiring decision process. And when we consider what we are up against with Florida, Bama and LSU (Georgia too some of the time), we need more so than anyone to have what Dooley called an "All Star" staff. Guys like Hinshaw, even if they turn out to eventually prove to be fairly good coaches, they will still be somewhat of a liability when it comes to recruiting...as they have nothing on their resume to impress a recruit.

Let's take Eddie Gran for example. Put him up against Hinshaw for a recruit in the same territory. Who do you think is going to come away the winner? Coaches have to be able to sell themselves to a recruit as much as the university. Willis bailed and went to UNC because, compared to Dooley and the staff in place, they had more to sell to a blue chip recruit with NFL aspirations....Butch Davis, Withers and Blake.

It's no secret around here that I wasn't too happy that Hamilton hired Dooley with better, more qualified candidates out there...but that's now water under the bridge. I just hope Dooley wakes up and realizes the significance of hiring BIG NAME/BIG SPLASH staff personnel when possible...as opposed to rolling the dice on what he thinks are up-N-comers. After all...the bigger the splash, the easier his job becomes.

To that end, with no DC or DL coach named, we are looking to take a massive hit with DT's. If John Brown doesn't qualify and Copeland goes elsewhere (very possible), we have just been shut out in an area of immensely critical need. In order for us to recover next year, I think we really need to go strong after Travis Jones (DL coach of the Saints) and then hire Chuck Smith. That would get some attention on the defensive side of the ball...just wait.

But if Dooley brings in Spangler and some other no name position coach for DL, we are in for a nuclear winter on the hill...and I personally predict that single act will spell his ouster in 2 seasons flat. It will get that ugly...that quick. If Dave Clawson taught us one thing...it's that this conference will chew up lower tier coaches and spit them out.

Let's hope he makes hires from here on out that all of Vol Nation, and future recruits, can get excited about.

After next year DD can use his record and tape of the games to help pull recruits. I like having the best guys for the job. Going for the NFL logo when you hire someone is basically just reliving the past with LK. If you hire an All-Star staff then every year you will be replacing some of them because they are hired guns. The staff will recruit a guy, find another job and then end up trying to get the recruit to move with them.

 

[AllVolinGA]

Gran chose to leave before K left. That is not Coach D's fault. Big names do not always equal big results and a big splash often just leaves you all wet.

 

[volroadwarrior]

If we can somehow pull off a miracle and come away with both Ambles and Rogers, I hope that CDD comes to realize just how much impact it truly has on recruiting to have some NFL guys on staff, and preferably at the skill positions. It was having a clear impact in our recruiting before Kiffin left, and it looks like Bagget's hiring was a homerun for that position.

That's not to say he has to find NFL guys at each position, but when possible and feasible, it should carry a great deal of weight in the hiring decision process. And when we consider what we are up against with Florida, Bama and LSU (Georgia too some of the time), we need more so than anyone to have what Dooley called an "All Star" staff. Guys like Hinshaw, even if they turn out to eventually prove to be fairly good coaches, they will still be somewhat of a liability when it comes to recruiting...as they have nothing on their resume to impress a recruit.

Let's take Eddie Gran for example. Put him up against Hinshaw for a recruit in the same territory. Who do you think is going to come away the winner? Coaches have to be able to sell themselves to a recruit as much as the university. Willis bailed and went to UNC because, compared to Dooley and the staff in place, they had more to sell to a blue chip recruit with NFL aspirations....Butch Davis, Withers and Blake.

It's no secret around here that I wasn't too happy that Hamilton hired Dooley with better, more qualified candidates out there...but that's now water under the bridge. I just hope Dooley wakes up and realizes the significance of hiring BIG NAME/BIG SPLASH staff personnel when possible...as opposed to rolling the dice on what he thinks are up-N-comers. After all...the bigger the splash, the easier his job becomes.

To that end, with no DC or DL coach named, we are looking to take a massive hit with DT's. If John Brown doesn't qualify and Copeland goes elsewhere (very possible), we have just been shut out in an area of immensely critical need. In order for us to recover next year, I think we really need to go strong after Travis Jones (DL coach of the Saints) and then hire Chuck Smith. That would get some attention on the defensive side of the ball...just wait.

But if Dooley brings in Spangler and some other no name position coach for DL, we are in for a nuclear winter on the hill...and I personally predict that single act will spell his ouster in 2 seasons flat. It will get that ugly...that quick. If Dave Clawson taught us one thing...it's that this conference will chew up lower tier coaches and spit them out.

Let's hope he makes hires from here on out that all of Vol Nation, and future recruits, can get excited about.

Who says Hinshaw can't match up with Gran? Does he have to? I would bet Hinshaw matches up great with Reaves as a QB coach. Only time will tell, but we are where we are and much better than I thought we would be a couple of weeks ago.

 

[TENNaciousUTfan]

Who says Hinshaw can't match up with Gran? Does he have to? I would bet Hinshaw matches up great with Reaves as a QB coach. Only time will tell, but we are where we are and much better than I thought we would be a couple of weeks ago.

Reaves came from one of our main SEC Rivals...Hinshaw came from...MTSU and Memphis (the same Memphis that tanked so bad last year it got their coach fired). Reaves was the Recruiting Coordinator and QB coach for USCjr, and had a pretty good recruiting track record coming in...and did fairly well while here; so even with that comparison, yours argument flat.

Hinshaw could not have been the best position coach available to UT and Coach Dooley...nor was Joseph.
I'm sorry, but Dooley is largely under consideration not because of what he had going in La Tech (17-20), but that he was under Saban for a number of years.
That means, Hamilton didn't hire him to replicate what he had going in La. Tech and to bring his staff with him.

People who deny that coaches coming from the NFL have no impact in recruiting or on the field are just kidding themselves. No, it's never a guarantee....but no hire is. The task is to mitigate the risk...like any investment decision. The staff is every bit the investment that a HC is, and should be treated as such...I just hope that CDD realizes he's playing with house money, and he doesn't have to shop for staff members at the Dollar General Store.

 

[s1216]

Willis bailed and went to UNC because, compared to Dooley and the staff in place, they had more to sell to a blue chip recruit with NFL aspirations....Butch Davis, Withers and Blake.

Willis bailed and was enrolled at UNC before Dooley was hired. The rest of this post isn't much more factually correct either.

 

[fernandomike]

If we can somehow pull off a miracle and come away with both Ambles and Rogers, I hope that CDD comes to realize just how much impact it truly has on recruiting to have some NFL guys on staff, and preferably at the skill positions. It was having a clear impact in our recruiting before Kiffin left, and it looks like Bagget's hiring was a homerun for that position.

That's not to say he has to find NFL guys at each position, but when possible and feasible, it should carry a great deal of weight in the hiring decision process. And when we consider what we are up against with Florida, Bama and LSU (Georgia too some of the time), we need more so than anyone to have what Dooley called an "All Star" staff. Guys like Hinshaw, even if they turn out to eventually prove to be fairly good coaches, they will still be somewhat of a liability when it comes to recruiting...as they have nothing on their resume to impress a recruit.
Let's take Eddie Gran for example. Put him up against Hinshaw for a recruit in the same territory. Who do you think is going to come away the winner? Coaches have to be able to sell themselves to a recruit as much as the university. Willis bailed and went to UNC because, compared to Dooley and the staff in place, they had more to sell to a blue chip recruit with NFL aspirations....Butch Davis, Withers and Blake.

It's no secret around here that I wasn't too happy that Hamilton hired Dooley with better, more qualified candidates out there...but that's now water under the bridge. I just hope Dooley wakes up and realizes the significance of hiring BIG NAME/BIG SPLASH staff personnel when possible...as opposed to rolling the dice on what he thinks are up-N-comers. After all...the bigger the splash, the easier his job becomes.

To that end, with no DC or DL coach named, we are looking to take a massive hit with DT's. If John Brown doesn't qualify and Copeland goes elsewhere (very possible), we have just been shut out in an area of immensely critical need. In order for us to recover next year, I think we really need to go strong after Travis Jones (DL coach of the Saints) and then hire Chuck Smith. That would get some attention on the defensive side of the ball...just wait.

But if Dooley brings in Spangler and some other no name position coach for DL, we are in for a nuclear winter on the hill...and I personally predict that single act will spell his ouster in 2 seasons flat. It will get that ugly...that quick. If Dave Clawson taught us one thing...it's that this conference will chew up lower tier coaches and spit them out.

Let's hope he makes hires from here on out that all of Vol Nation, and future recruits, can get excited about.

I think you ought to have a little more faith in your head coach, unless or until he proves that he doesn't deserve it. NFL experience is a plus. A great resume is a plus. Youthful exuburance and an ability to relate to young people is also a plus. Maybe Hinshaw has that and is a wonderful teacher as well. We simply do not know. Give the guy time to prove his worth instead of making judgments based on scant evidence. He might surprise you.

 

[franchuck]

Let's take Eddie Gran for example. Put him up against Hinshaw for a recruit in the same territory. Who do you think is going to come away the winner? Coaches have to be able to sell themselves to a recruit as much as the university. Willis bailed and went to UNC because, compared to Dooley and the staff in place, they had more to sell to a blue chip recruit with NFL aspirations....Butch Davis, Withers and Blake.


I think that coach E.Gran did not do a good job last year. Ut special teams were very poor. In every respect. The running backs with the exception of Hardesty were not outstanding. Hardesty I think was his last year and if he was going to have a shot for NFL it had to be now!

 

[manfromtn]

All the big splashes we got last year ended up leaving our pool needing to be refilled. I, for one, applaud CDDs slow, methodical approach to hiring the rest of his staff. If he sees something in these guys that will help him be successful, then I will trust his judgement. I have been in business for myself for over 20 years and I do understand sometimes you have to make that quick hire to keep everything running, but sometimes(more often than not) these just come back to bite you in the long run. Most of the time you are better off, if you don't mind spending that extra time yourself (taking up slack, doing that extra training, etc), hiring the guy who is driven to succeed than hiring the guy who has the great resume and thinks he is the best already.

 

[TENNaciousUTfan]

Willis bailed and was enrolled at UNC before Dooley was hired. The rest of this post isn't much more factually correct either.

Did you go and help him enroll? We had a replacement like within 72hrs, and you're saying he made such a move before knowing who was going to replace Kiffin? You need to check your facts before you try and correct someone. That's not how I remember it. He was on campus here in Knoxville ready to enroll, from what I read, and he bailed the weekend after Dooley was named HC.

At either rate, the point is he knew he had a staff with NFL experience at UNC....he mentioned it in a number of his interviews since he decommitted following hostessgate.

 

[posivol]

If we can somehow pull off a miracle and come away with both Ambles and Rogers, I hope that CDD comes to realize just how much impact it truly has on recruiting to have some NFL guys on staff, and preferably at the skill positions. It was having a clear impact in our recruiting before Kiffin left, and it looks like Bagget's hiring was a homerun for that position.

That's not to say he has to find NFL guys at each position, but when possible and feasible, it should carry a great deal of weight in the hiring decision process. And when we consider what we are up against with Florida, Bama and LSU (Georgia too some of the time), we need more so than anyone to have what Dooley called an "All Star" staff. Guys like Hinshaw, even if they turn out to eventually prove to be fairly good coaches, they will still be somewhat of a liability when it comes to recruiting...as they have nothing on their resume to impress a recruit.

Let's take Eddie Gran for example. Put him up against Hinshaw for a recruit in the same territory. Who do you think is going to come away the winner? Coaches have to be able to sell themselves to a recruit as much as the university. Willis bailed and went to UNC because, compared to Dooley and the staff in place, they had more to sell to a blue chip recruit with NFL aspirations....Butch Davis, Withers and Blake.

It's no secret around here that I wasn't too happy that Hamilton hired Dooley with better, more qualified candidates out there...but that's now water under the bridge. I just hope Dooley wakes up and realizes the significance of hiring BIG NAME/BIG SPLASH staff personnel when possible...as opposed to rolling the dice on what he thinks are up-N-comers. After all...the bigger the splash, the easier his job becomes.

To that end, with no DC or DL coach named, we are looking to take a massive hit with DT's. If John Brown doesn't qualify and Copeland goes elsewhere (very possible), we have just been shut out in an area of immensely critical need. In order for us to recover next year, I think we really need to go strong after Travis Jones (DL coach of the Saints) and then hire Chuck Smith. That would get some attention on the defensive side of the ball...just wait.

But if Dooley brings in Spangler and some other no name position coach for DL, we are in for a nuclear winter on the hill...and I personally predict that single act will spell his ouster in 2 seasons flat. It will get that ugly...that quick. If Dave Clawson taught us one thing...it's that this conference will chew up lower tier coaches and spit them out.

Let's hope he makes hires from here on out that all of Vol Nation, and future recruits, can get excited about.

big splash,little ripple ?

been there,done that

 

[fernandomike]

Did you go and help him enroll? We had a replacement like within 72hrs, and you're saying he made such a move before knowing who was going to replace Kiffin? You need to check your facts before you try and correct someone. That's not how I remember it. He was on campus here in Knoxville ready to enroll, from what I read, and he bailed the weekend after Dooley was named HC.

At either rate, the point is he knew he had a staff with NFL experience at UNC....he mentioned it in a number of his interviews since he decommitted following hostessgate.

Willis was definitely not in Knoxville when Dooley was hired. Word is that he was in route to UT and got a call from Orgeron asking him to join them at USC. He and his dad were very turned off by it and went home and committed to UNC. I think he was enrolled at UNC before Dooley was ever hired.