Bad deal for Nick Stephens

#27
#27
Honestly, what harm can come from putting Coleman in the game? It's not like we have a shot at anything anyway, get the kid some playing time. Hell rotate QB's on every series for all I care. Keep trying different players together until you accidentally find a combination that only marginally sucks.
 
#28
#28
VOLinthaATL said:
No, I was trying to say that our coaching of the QB position this year has been piss poor which I think had more of an effect on Crompton and Stephens that people think.
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What about the previous 3 years for Crompton?? Who were his QB coaches then and why did they not get him ready??
 
#29
#29
I have no positive feelings for either Crompton or Stephens.....but am feeling bad for Coleman.

Based on the two QBs who have not lit it up this year, and Phil's responses to Coleman needing work before he earns playing time has given me this mental image of him (Coleman that is...bet you thought I was going to say Phil, huh!) being dumber than a red brick.....I can't shake it, and I feel for the lad. He absolutely cannot do anything on the field that would grade out worse than the other two....Let him play!!
 
#34
#34
Maybe the only one that was man enough to question Fulmers coaching.That would be my vote.Can't wait for Ky to be over send him packing
 
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#37
UT4EVER said:
Stephens has had his chances and hasn't produced.... Crompton has had his chances and hasn't produced.... Neither has the right to complain about "opportunities". I don't watch practice every day but one would think Coleman deserves a chance since the others simply have not gotten the job done.

And to think how we (lots of Volnation) complained about EA...... Those were the good ol days...
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I agree with what you are saying but my question is: Why was Fulmer willing to stay with Crompton after he made so many mistakes and turnovers but yanks Stephens just after TWO picks? I've heard NS's attitude has a lot to do with it, but being on the outside looking in, it DOES appear as if CPF is playing the favorite card that so many has posted on here before. :unsure:
 
#39
#39
I;m all for Coleman and building for the future, but obviously, CPF has no concern with that. Stephens was WAY better than Crapton, he just stepped into a terrible situation. After CPF's tirade on the sideline, I would not be surprised to see a transfer.
 
#40
#40
Nick just needs to be worked with by an actual OC. Or a better one, I should say.

I haven't seen B.J. play, so I can't really rate him.

Crompton needs to transfer to a junior college.
 
#41
#41
Athlete269 said:
Nick just needs to be worked with by an actual OC. Or a better one, I should say.

I haven't seen B.J. play, so I can't really rate him.

Crompton needs to transfer to a junior college.
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Do you mean for his sake, or ours? For his sake, he should hope that he can hold onto his scholarship and get his degree.
 
#42
#42
g8terh8ter_eric said:
So Crompton has went coachless the 3 years prior to Clawson arriving here?? No wonder he sucks then.
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I will say that one of the reasons that we all were so high on Crompton this year was due to his ability to come off the bench during the 2006 season and compete very well against LSU and Arkansas. At least he was completing passes and playing with confidence a couple of years ago. Why we all deemed him a QB with running capabilities is the big question. I saw several posts this summer on how we should run the option with Crompton and that he would be able to move around in the pocket much better than Ainge. I think that when he ran over the LSU safety in 06, we all figired he could run the ball. Everyone keeps saying that Cutcliffe never saw anything in Crompton and that the reason he didn't play over Ainge was because of this. The reason Crompton didn't get to play over Ainge is because Ainge was a heck of a QB his junior and senior years. The kid threw for around 3,600 yds and like 32 TDs last year and all we wanted to do is throw him under the bus because he didn't throw a lot of long balls and he got rid of the ball too quick when he was being pressured. Just think how good it would be to have had Ainge this year. Gerald Jones might have been all-sec this year had Ainge been our QB. I say that if we still had Cutcliffe and the same style offense, Crompton would have had nearly 3000 yds and over 20 TD passes.
 
#44
#44
TennTradition said:
Wow....I was hearing you until the last sentence....do you think Clawson's system screwed him that badly?
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I'm not certain we ever got to see Clawson's system. I don't know if it was a lack of confidence, inability to change to a new style, or lack of QB coaching by Clawson that hampered Crompton. However, I do know that you don't go from being a top 2 or 3 QB in the country in highschool to not being able to hit the broad side of a barn without some factor being involved. I know that Crompton looked very confident and poised in 2006 when Ainge went down. He made the big throws under pressure and didn't waiver in the pocket.

It seems like I remember Crompton changing his throwing style or mechanics during the offseason. I'm not sure how drastic this change was but it could have made a difference. Being asked to hit the receivers at a different target on their bodies to allow them to get upfield quicker might have rattled him. When you go from Sanders to Cutcliffe to Clawson in a 4 year stretch, it has to be difficult to make the adjustments each time. Maybe Crompton just haven't figured out the adjustment yet and this is why his accuracy and field awareness have struggled.

With the different offense, he has had to run different plays out of different formations thus changing his progression of reads to different spots and unfamiliar areas on the field. Maybe this is why he doesn't seem to be able to properly find the open man on the field.

Whatever the problem is, I still think that had Cutcliffe been his coach this year, he would be doing pretty good and we probably are sitting at 7-3 or 8-2. Not that I wanted to keep the old offense, it's just my reasoning for such a struggle.

Michigan changed their offense and looks like they are going to give it some time to develop. In a couple of years when Rodriguez gets his players on the team, I bet Michigan will be tough for the other BIG10 schools to defend. I say they win the conference by 2010 or 2011. Ohio State has shown that they have trouble with these types of offenses and aren't built to be able to match up speed wise with this kind of offense.

I'm not saying that I'm for keeping Fulmer, Clawson and the others but it would have been nice to actually see where we would have been in a couple of years. I hope our next offensive coordinator brings an innovative style of offense to the board because these opposing coaches in the SEC are just to smart to let you move the ball up and down the field like we used to.

The spread might not be that bad of an idea if we can get a coach that is capable of recruiting and getting his players on campus. Taking advantage of mismatches on the field is what this offense allows you to do and we haven't had coaches that have been able to do that. Simply lining up and imposing your will on the opponent with great athletes is all Fulmer's bunch has ever done and it caught up with him. It sure looks like it's working for Florida. I'm telling you, we are being outsmarted
in the coaching category so bad that the talent level becomes irrelevant. Give Urban Meyer the Memphis football team and he will beat Fulmer every time.
 
#45
#45
TennTradition said:
Wow....I was hearing you until the last sentence....do you think Clawson's system screwed him that badly?
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I was thinking that Cut's system did. Crompton became the red-headed step child while Cut and Ainge were here. Clawson basically inherited nothing to work with in QB's and a HC that put a QB in a starter's role that even the OC said that he couldn't grasp the needed reads and progressions to learn it and do it. There's a lot of blame to go around but I personally think that Clawson's blame should be minimal. Yes he is the QB coach, but why is it his fault that Crompton can't get it?? Crompton was here 3 years prior and if he didn't learn anything then is that Clawson's fault?? Clawson inherited an offense with a lot of bandaids on it and when he took off the bandaids to access the what needed to be done he realized we had gashes that would take time to heal. Unforunately for Clawson he didn't have the time to get where he needed to be.
 
#46
#46
g8terh8ter_eric said:
I was thinking that Cut's system did. Crompton became the red-headed step child while Cut and Ainge were here. Clawson basically inherited nothing to work with in QB's and a HC that put a QB in a starter's role that even the OC said that he couldn't grasp the needed reads and progressions to learn it and do it. There's a lot of blame to go around but I personally think that Clawson's blame should be minimal. Yes he is the QB coach, but why is it his fault that Crompton can't get it?? Crompton was here 3 years prior and if he didn't learn anything then is that Clawson's fault?? Clawson inherited an offense with a lot of bandaids on it and when he took off the bandaids to access the what needed to be done he realized we had gashes that would take time to heal. Unforunately for Clawson he didn't have the time to get where he needed to be.
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I can agree that he didn't get the time that he needed but I don't think that the offense was that bad when Clawson came. I believe that Clawson needed more time to get everyone on the same page for his new offense. Whenever you run the same offense for three years, it's going to take a while to get used to the new system and be able to run it efficiently. I don't know that more time would have helped Crompton but it would be an issue with almost any QB. I also think that if Clawson would have been given total control concerning personnel and playcalling, the offense would have improved as the year progressed. I think that we would be clicking pretty good right now if Fulmer had completely taken his hands off the situation. He only confused things by getting involved when he wasn't capable of running this offense himself. It was new to him too so why should he have been influencing anyone in the playcalling area. More time would have only helped Clawson if Fulmer was not in the picture.
 
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