As much as I hate to say it, I don't think Fulmer is going anywhere at the end of the

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season. I think it would take a lot worse than a losing season to see him out of there. Hamilton has already proven that 5-6 is acceptable for this program in his eyes and the same season has proven that CPF isn't humble enough to step down when the time is right.

I think it would take something like a 2 win season, finishing dead last in the SEC, hitting the bottom ten in the nation for some statistical categories AND a small revolution to see change at the very top. I think, at best, we'll see some changes at the assistant level. And that may not be terrible thing. My best friend was on the 98 team and he basically said that CPF doesn't really coach, but rather lets the assistants do all the work. He just takes all the credit (only when it's good, obviously). I realize this is contradictory to what most here believe, and I'm not saying it's what I believe. It's just what he said. Take it for what it's worth.

In any event, I think we're getting way ahead of ourselves dreaming about who might fill the HC position. I hope I am wrong on this, but I really don't think I am.
 
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If that thing a/b Phil doesn't coach is true, i'm not surprised.
 
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If we go 5-7 or worse and don't make a bowl, he is gone IMO. If Hamilton doesn't fire him after a 5-7 season, two years removed from a 5-6 season, Hamilton himself should be fired by the board of trustees or whoever has those powers.
 
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ksushalovesthevols said:
season. I think it would take a lot worse than a losing season to see him out of there. Hamilton has already proven that 5-6 is acceptable for this program in his eyes and the same season has proven that CPF isn't humble enough to step down when the time is right.

I think it would take something like a 2 win season, finishing dead last in the SEC, hitting the bottom ten in the nation for some statistical categories AND a small revolution to see change at the very top. I think, at best, we'll see some changes at the assistant level. And that may not be terrible thing. My best friend was on the 98 team and he basically said that CPF doesn't really coach, but rather lets the assistants do all the work. He just takes all the credit (only when it's good, obviously). I realize this is contradictory to what most here believe, and I'm not saying it's what I believe. It's just what he said. Take it for what it's worth.

In any event, I think we're getting way ahead of ourselves dreaming about who might fill the HC position. I hope I am wrong on this, but I really don't think I am.
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Just to level set on assistants:

Currently Tennessee is:
5th in the country in total defense
97th in the country in total offense
106 in the country in scoring offense

Tennessee Football Ranking Summary
 
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FO.CO. VOL FAN said:
If we go 5-7 or worse and don't make a bowl, he is gone IMO. If Hamilton doesn't fire him after a 5-7 season, two years removed from a 5-6 season, Hamilton himself should be fired by the board of trustees or whoever has those powers.
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i think they both should have been gone after the 5-6 season. fulmer for running the program into the ground and hammy for letting him do it. but this thread isn't about what i think is just; it's about what i think will happen. :cray:
 
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I think Fulmer is gone only if he decides to go. I don't think the administration has the cajoles to wield the axe.
 
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He's gone. You can tell by the change of attitude in some of local media here.
 
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Godfatha said:
He's gone. You can tell by the change of attitude in some of local media here.
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um, i could be completely wrong on this, but i didn't think the media had the authority to fire a football coach.

on a serious note, speculation is just that - speculative. it sells newspapers because they are writing what people want to hear, they are giving them hope by essentially putting down on paper what most vol fans want. but the reality is, the media is as powerless in this situation as we are.

look back on the articles in the 05 season. it was the same thing. and yet, no one got fired at the end.
 
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IMO if the stadium is half empty at the end of the season and the fans boo more then cheer, they have to make a move. The athletic dept understands dollars. If the fanbase no longer supports the HC (with dollars) they have little choice, their personal feelings for Fulmer aside.
 
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oklavol said:
IMO if the stadium is half empty at the end of the season and the fans boo more then cheer, they have to make a move. The athletic dept understands dollars. If the fanbase no longer supports the HC (with dollars) they have little choice, their personal feelings for Fulmer aside.
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it will not make a difference this year, at least not a financial one. most of those tickets are already sold.
 
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ksushalovesthevols said:
um, i could be completely wrong on this, but i didn't think the media had the authority to fire a football coach.

on a serious note, speculation is just that - speculative. it sells newspapers because they are writing what people want to hear, they are giving them hope by essentially putting down on paper what most vol fans want. but the reality is, the media is as powerless in this situation as we are.

look back on the articles in the 05 season. it was the same thing. and yet, no one got fired at the end.
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Did I say they had the authority? No. But they have their fingers closer to the pulse of what is going on than the common fan posting on a message board.
 
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Godfatha said:
He's gone. You can tell by the change of attitude in some of local media here.
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The same media that will crucify the UT administration for firing a virtual icon, winner of a national championship, godfather of Peyton Manning, winner of 7xxx% of his games, blah, blah, blah. ESPN will be the lead attack dog, emphasizing how football rules over academia amongst the unwashed hillbillies, etc.
 
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ksushalovesthevols said:
um, i could be completely wrong on this, but i didn't think the media had the authority to fire a football coach.

on a serious note, speculation is just that - speculative. it sells newspapers because they are writing what people want to hear, they are giving them hope by essentially putting down on paper what most vol fans want. but the reality is, the media is as powerless in this situation as we are.

look back on the articles in the 05 season. it was the same thing. and yet, no one got fired at the end.
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ummm, really?
 
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billbattle said:
The same media that will crucify the UT administration for firing a virtual icon, winner of a national championship, godfather of Peyton Manning, winner of 7xxx% of his games, blah, blah, blah. ESPN will be the lead attack dog, emphasizing how football rules over academia amongst the unwashed hillbillies, etc.
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oh lord, all we need is for espn to start on that darn thornton center scandal again! idiots!
 
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billbattle said:
The same media that will crucify the UT administration for firing a virtual icon, winner of a national championship, godfather of Peyton Manning, winner of 7xxx% of his games, blah, blah, blah. ESPN will be the lead attack dog, emphasizing how football rules over academia amongst the unwashed hillbillies, etc.
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National media and local media are two different things. The national media crucified UT for firing Majors but they stopped talking about it seemingly within a week, so I am not too concerned with what the national media will say. You'll hardly ever hear summon in the national media say a coach should be fired anyway.
 
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the last time around, wasn't it adams and some guy from the tennessean calling for fulmer's head? that's local. he still didn't get fired. don't really see a difference between that time and this time.
 
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ksushalovesthevols said:
i think they both should have been gone after the 5-6 season. fulmer for running the program into the ground and hammy for letting him do it. but this thread isn't about what i think is just; it's about what i think will happen. :cray:
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And I respect your opinion. I think it could go either way. Hamilton is starting to feel the heat too if you ask me and I don't care how close Fulmer and Hamilton are, If Hamilton feels his job is in jeopardy if he doesn't fire Fulmer, then he will fire him.

I just think people (and when I say people, i mean those
who donate a lot of money and have a say in things) are finally fed up with the lackluster performance being put on the field year in and year out, and they are ready to do something about it if Hammy doesn't.

So I think something will happen at the end of this year, whether Fulmer steps down, Hamilton fires him, or Hamilton and Fulmer are let go. IMO I think Fulmer steps down after this year if things stay the way they are. He cares about the program and he is a good person and I think as much as he hates to admit it, he knows that things are not the same as they were. He will do what is good for the program and the respectable thing to do is to step down and cut at deal with the University.
 
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ksushalovesthevols said:
the last time around, wasn't it adams and some guy from the tennessean calling for fulmer's head? that's local. he still didn't get fired. don't really see a difference between that time and this time.
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Adams has always been Adams (love him or hate him), and he is one of the few local media around here who has the nuts to stand up to UT when it isn't necessarily popular. The people I am talking about are the ones who are always mum, or having Fulmer's back when people criticize. They feel it is "safe" now to talk about replacements.
 
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ksushalovesthevols said:
the last time around, wasn't it adams and some guy from the tennessean calling for fulmer's head? that's local. he still didn't get fired. don't really see a difference between that time and this time.
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If you don't mind me asking. Why are you in the UK? Were you a student at tennessee?
 
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