Article: "Home Improvement: Jones repairing relationships with TN high schools"

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Stephen Hargis, columnist for the Chattanooga Times Free Press, wrote an excellent article entitled, "Home Improvement: Jones repairing relationships with TN high schools," in Rocky Top Tennessee, pp. 47-50 (see Rocky Top Tennessee 2013 available on newsstands, going fast online - Rocky Top Talk). Although much of the content is, undoubtedly, old news for hardcore recruitniks, Hargis quantifies the level of discontent with which area high school coaches regarded Derek Dooley and his staff. He also made a number of telling observations regarding the recruitment of Vonn Bell and Jalen Hurd.

According to Bell's father, Tennessee was "dead in the water" when Butch assumed the reins for our program. He also said that "UT would've locked him up as a junior if they had recruited him at all." Unfortunately, Butch simply did not have enough time to overcome the advantages that Alabama and Ohio State had established in terms of relationships with Bell.

Bell's high school coach, Mark Mariakis, had glowing praise for Butch Jones and equally poignant criticism for Dooley's neglect of his program as a recruiting hotbed. In remarks eerily similar to Mike Tomlin's ringing endorsement of Coach Jones, Mariakis said that he is so impressed with Butch Jones, his staff and the direction that our program is headed, that he "wouldn't hesitate to send [his] own child" to play at UT.

Hargis provides an equally harsh indictment of Dooley's "recruitment" of Jalen Hurd. Jalen's high school coach, Anthony Crabtree, said that he never met Dooley and only spoke to him once, when he called Dooley to inquire as to whether Tennessee had any interest in recruiting Hurd. He found it mindboggling that we had a five-star running back instate, one that was being recruited heavily by Alabama, Ohio State and virtually every major program in the country, but Tennessee had demonstrated no overt interest in him.
 
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more "what the heck was Dooley doing" sentiments...I just find it hard to believe that he didn't try to recruit these two guys
 
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So Dooley sucked and pissed people off. Can't we move on?

And tell Hargis we are still waiting on the real Gruden story that he promised. I'd rather hear about that anyway.
 
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So Dooley sucked and pissed people off. Can't we move on?

And tell Hargis we are still waiting on the real Gruden story that he promised. I'd rather hear about that anyway.

I agree...let's hear the juice on Gruden...I gotta believe there was more to the story than simply "trolls making stuff up". At least I want to believe I wasn't THAT naive.
 
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I live about 2 minutes from Central High School where Vonn Bell played until he relocated to Georgia to play and I hate that Dooley couldn't lock him up. Kid should have been a Vol. I had a chance to watch him play and there's just absolutely no excuse for that kind of ineptitude by Dooley and his staff. Thank God he's gone because we got a guy in charge now that gets it.
 
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Really hard to read things like that about Dooley. It's like he didn't understand how wonderful the football program could be. Almost like he thought he had to "pay his dues" in recruiting by winning with lesser talent first. Like he was embarrassed of us. It never felt like we had a shot with the highly sought after players.

Then Butch shows up and starts reeling them in all day every day. He sees and treats Tennessee like the kingdom that it is.
 
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We'll MOVE ON when we feel like it...our program was just held hostage by someone who didn't know what he was doing. This article highlights the difference perceived between Dooley and Butch...there are still posters saying that Dooley was a good recruiter...that TKJ, Jalen and Vic would have been gets even if Dooley hadn't been canned...quit arguing that point and we'll move on
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If it's still hard to read bad stuff about Dools or believe that he was that incompetent, then you probably were Dool-aid drinkers for at least some of his stay on Rocky Top. You probably want to believe the best in people. However, some people are nothing but show - an image that they create or the media creates for them. That was Dools.

But you can relax now. You will not have that concern with Butch. He is what he appears to be and you will not have to listen to the media to know it. He is a real head coach with a real system and will adapt to the changes he will have to make to be highly competitive in the SEC.
 
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We'll MOVE ON when we feel like it...our program was just held hostage by someone who didn't know what he was doing. This article highlights the difference perceived between Dooley and Butch...there are still posters saying that Dooley was a good recruiter...that TKJ, Jalen and Vic would have been gets even if Dooley hadn't been canned...quit arguing that point and we'll move on
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Who was that guy on here who just would not give up on backing DD? OskieVolume? Something like that. Man, he was irritating as all hell.

"Dooley just needed more time. Let him go too soon. He was putting all the pieces together. Butch Jones will get all the credit for all the hard work Dooley did".

Hopefully he won't post anymore. Or better yet. Come back and take his heckling like a man, THEN not post anymore.
 
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It's obvious that Dooley tried to be just like Saban. From his process to his micromanagement. Saban doesn't really have to worry about pissing off too many coaches. UT coach needs to kiss every one of their asses. That's just the way it is and he didn't get it. But guess what.

Butch gets it. (first time ever used, and probably the last, but it was a good time to pull it out, twss)
 
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It's obvious that Dooley tried to be just like Saban. From his process to his micromanagement. Saban doesn't really have to worry about pissing off too many coaches. UT coach needs to kiss every one of their asses. That's just the way it is and he didn't get it. But guess what.

Butch gets it. (first time ever used, and probably the last, but it was a good time to pull it out, twss)


Congrats on your first time Sparty. TWSS too. :)
 
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We'll MOVE ON when we feel like it...our program was just held hostage by someone who didn't know what he was doing. This article highlights the difference perceived between Dooley and Butch...there are still posters saying that Dooley was a good recruiter...that TKJ, Jalen and Vic would have been gets even if Dooley hadn't been canned...quit arguing that point and we'll move on
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I tried to support Dooley as head coach even though he wasn't one of my choices for the job. After the Kentucky debacle in 2011, I completely gave up on him. Many of the home games in 2012 I could only sit with my head buried in my hands. I couldn't find a lot of reasons to stand up and cheer. It was dreadful. I even told my grandson that attends the games with me that this would be my last season for buying season tickets (after 40 years and not missing a home game in all those years) and he begged me to keep getting them. After Butch was hired I started getting the urge to go again and I ordered and have received my 2013 tickets. My grandson is happy and I feel good about Butch and Tennessee's future and I'm thrilled that Dooley is in Texas. :rock:
 
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I read that article as well and it was brutal to think things were that bad. In fairness to CDD, you had a program that lost 70% of it's staff in the offseason and then the new staff was a dead man walking 2/3 of the way through the year. There wasn't much of a window for them to build relationships with these high school coaches. Still unacceptable though.

Wasn't UT's recruiting class ranked around #50 when CBJ took over. It takes a lot of effort to have a class that bad at UT. The article just told us the grizzly details.
 
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If it's still hard to read bad stuff about Dools or believe that he was that incompetent, then you probably were Dool-aid drinkers for at least some of his stay on Rocky Top. You probably want to believe the best in people. However, some people are nothing but show - an image that they create or the media creates for them. That was Dools.

Pretty much it. I believed in him heavily until we lost to Florida last year. It began to really slip after that. He completely lost me after Mississippi State. I should have read the signs better and admitted he was a faulty coach sooner. But I really thought he had the tools to get it done at some point. Hindsight is 20/20 and that obviously wasn't the case for Dooley.

But I'm honestly gonna be a sucker for any coach or player who puts on the orange. It's just how I'm wired.

That being said, something about Butch Jones does feel different.

Dooley did a great job of making me feel like he always had a plan to fix all of our problems. Butch has a unique way of making me feel like we don't have any problems, just a finite series of obstacles to climb that will lead us to inevitable success.

Go Big Orange
 
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It's obvious that Dooley tried to be just like Saban. From his process to his micromanagement. Saban doesn't really have to worry about pissing off too many coaches. UT coach needs to kiss every one of their asses. That's just the way it is and he didn't get it. But guess what.

Butch gets it. (first time ever used, and probably the last, but it was a good time to pull it out, twss)

Dooley definitely tried to model himself after Saban. The problem with that was that Dooley had absolutely no track record whereas Saban has established himself as the best HC in college football and has also already established relationships with high school coaches.

I also find it hard to believe that Saban puts forth as little effort on the recruiting trail as Dooley did. I'm sure he doesn't have to work as hard as Butch does because of the level of success he has already achieved. But it seemed like Dooley was just flat out lazy when it came to recruiting and the staff didn't put in half of the work that this staff does. I don't believe Saban and his staff dedicate as little effort in recruiting as Dooley and Co did.
 
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Even though the results have spoken for themselves, I am still astonished at the information that continues to come out about exactly how absolutely terrible Dooley & Co. were.
 
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My hate of Dooley has now almost reached kiffin levels after reading this
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I know there's always the "stop beating a dead horse" crew in Dooley threads, but I find bashing the hell out of him, and reading comments of other people bashing the hell out of him, to be cathartic. Especially after enduring his brand of ****ty recruiting and football for three years.
 
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can't wait for this horse to be buried.

It is in the past but it is still part of our history (and our recent history at that). So I don't see the problem with discussing it. Maybe it's just because it leaves such a sour taste in our mouths to read how incompetent the previous leader of our beloved program was and how he seemingly took for granted the opportunity he had. I think a lot of people would rather just not think about it anymore. But it's still interesting to me. It makes me wonder how much of a difference it would have made if we had a competent coach both on and off the field. I wonder how much better a guy like Bray would have been as well as our entire defense. But I know I'm in the minority on that.
 
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Who was that guy on here who just would not give up on backing DD? OskieVolume? Something like that. Man, he was irritating as all hell.

"Dooley just needed more time. Let him go too soon. He was putting all the pieces together. Butch Jones will get all the credit for all the hard work Dooley did".

Hopefully he won't post anymore. Or better yet. Come back and take his heckling like a man, THEN not post anymore.


Whenever the subject of wins this season pops up...so does he. The gist is that we were so far down the pit, that Dooley needed at least five years to get us BACK to middle of the pack! We unfairly gave up on a future coaching icon and we deserve the plagues of Egypt as penance...for starters
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