Are the 5 star QBs really worth the money?

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Dadof2Vols said:
Giving millions to a 5* just because they are a 5* is not smart but giving millions to the QB you need to run your system and put you in position to win NC is worth the millions not matter how many stars they have…. You are not winning a NC without the right QB.
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Not arguing your point its true to a degree both AL and LSU won Natties with QBs that just don't screw up and great Defense .
 
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mpfvol said:
Not arguing your point its true to a degree both AL and LSU won Natties with QBs that just don't screw up and great Defense .
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54% completions, 1614 yards passing with 7 TDs and 9 INTs sounds really not great, but then you say it's Jay Barker in 1992 in a 13-0 season and suddenly "game manager" sounds a lot more acceptable.
 
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Tennman said:
I said it when this NIL fiasco was starting. Giving a 18 year old millions ( or even 100k) will take the drive and desire right out of them. There will be no hunger to play 100% or make it to the nfl. They might want to play in the nfl, but the HUNGER to get there is going to fade.

Jealousy is a monster and the uneven money payments will cause dissention on a team sooner or later. ( why is he getting $$$$ and I'm getting $$)

Hunger does not refer to appetite, I'm talking about the desire and effort to succeed and the mindset to achieve your goal.
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Most of these kids have NFL aspirations. Giving them money isn't going to change that. And they aren't getting drafted if they are showing little effort.

Not to mention, these 5 star Qbs were getting paid far before NIL was introduced.
 
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Carp said:
Most of these kids have NFL aspirations. Giving them money isn't going to change that. And they aren't getting drafted if they are showing little effort.
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Most of us have seen really good college players who get drafted simply lose motivation once drafted and get the big dollars (Albert Haynesworth anyone....?) How long does it take for that same phenomena to take place from high school to college when said college player is going to get 20-50X the compensation his parents ever received? Soon, I predict, it won't be said between parents/child "...just get to the NFL.." around dining room tables, it will be "....just get to the SEC (or Big 10)..." etc.
 
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Recruit back ups from HS and develop them. If they don't develop enough then find a quality starter in the portal. Use your money to load up other position groups.
 
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Carp said:
Much like NFL draft, recruiting is crap shoot. The best you can do is pull the best talent that fits your scheme and hope you can develop him. But there are plenty of 5 stars that work out. Drew Allar is really good. DJ Lagway has looked good. Dylan Raiola has been a bit of a mixed bag, but he'e been mostly good. Quinn Ewers, Caleb Williams, and Drake Maye were really, really good from the same class. And despite his performance Saturday, Klubnik has been really good for Clemson the past couple of years.

It seems the 2023 class was a good bit overrated. Obviously it's too early to proclaim them all as busts, but none of them have looked super impressive, or they haven't been good enough to get on the field until now.


But I can see the argument that the 5 star QB money might be better spent building up other positions. With our offense, you could pull the best G5 QB in the portal every year or every other year, and you wouldn't have to pay them as much as some of these 5 star HS Qbs.
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Interesting that you mentioned the NFL draft. In the past couple of years a couple of staticians/financial types did a study of past drafts and compared them with results. They came to the conclusion that paying for first round draft choices was not worth the money.
 
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utvols74 said:
Most of us have seen really good college players who get drafted simply lose motivation once drafted and get the big dollars (Albert Haynesworth anyone....?) How long does it take for that same phenomena to take place from high school to college when said college player is going to get 20-50X the compensation his parents ever received? Soon, I predict, it won't be said between parents/child "...just get to the NFL.." around dining room tables, it will be "....just get to the SEC (or Big 10)..." etc.
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Haynesworth had motivation issues in college my man. So money wasn't the only factor there.

But since you brought him up, he got paid a lot on his rookie contract and still played great for the Titans. He was considered the best DT in the league. Sure, once he took the big FA deal, he stopped caring. Of course they also wanted him to change positions in Washington, which he didn't want to do. That isn't a good excuse to dog it, I am just explaining that is was part of the issue.

Kids still care about making the NFL. A few stacks of hundreds isn't going to make a difference to the vast majority of players who know that the NFL is where the real money is at.

Not only that, but there is still incentive to play better regardless of the NFL, because the better you play, the more leverage you have to renegotiate to get more money.
 
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NighthawkVol said:
Thus far, Hendon has been Heupel's best QB and Aguilar may end up being the 2nd best. Both transfers.

Maybe there's more to be said for a guy who has experience and has been knocked around a little than a 5* out of high school.
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They are hungrier and haver more to prove and have had to prove their worth. Typically, 5* have been the big fish in the little "high school" pond and sometimes they bring the baggage of being told they are the best thing since Peyton et al - and they just expect it to be easy. But the game is faster, the competition is against other players who are as good as they are.
 
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I’ll say it: I’d rather take an experienced transfer with a year or two left than a modern five-star—unless it’s a legacy player. The reality is, there’s no longer much commitment to the university. Give me someone who’s already been coached up a little and is ready to compete right away vs someone that might be a year or two and been completely green.
 
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HooahVol said:
This is not another Nico thread although he fits the spirit of what I am trying to say. Saturday we saw Arch, the 6.8 million dollar man, really do nothing very impressive. We saw Klubnik, the 3.4 million dollar man, struggle mightily against LSU. We watched another 5 star, Ty Simpson, get destroyed by FSU. He just looked lost. Of course, we know the Nico story. Then you watch guys like JA and John Mateer at Oklahoma, both journey men who have learned the game at smaller schools and transfer in with experience just light the place up. While occasionally you get a Trevor Lawrence who comes in and changes everything their Freshman year that is very much the exception, not the rule. If Texas, for example, used some of that 6.8 million to get more offensive weapons I think they would be a better team.

I said all this on this forum instead of the around the NCAA one because I really think Heup has figured this out. He tried sticking with Milton because of the cannon for the arm but it did not fit. He got a little starried eyed with Nico because he was the prettiest girl at prom that year recruiting but Nico really never fit Heup's system. I think now Heupel knows divas can really screw up a locker room and his system needs a decent duel threat QB, not a NFL pocket passer. The extra money can be spent on important things like offensive line. Honestly, I think Heupel was the first coach to really embrace all the changes in college football and is now the first coach to start figuring out how to really make it work.
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TCU qb looked really good too. Throws a really nice ball. I was really impressed with his throws...granted it was UNC, but you could see why TN wanted him.
 
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HooahVol said:
This is not another Nico thread although he fits the spirit of what I am trying to say. Saturday we saw Arch, the 6.8 million dollar man, really do nothing very impressive. We saw Klubnik, the 3.4 million dollar man, struggle mightily against LSU. We watched another 5 star, Ty Simpson, get destroyed by FSU. He just looked lost. Of course, we know the Nico story. Then you watch guys like JA and John Mateer at Oklahoma, both journey men who have learned the game at smaller schools and transfer in with experience just light the place up. While occasionally you get a Trevor Lawrence who comes in and changes everything their Freshman year that is very much the exception, not the rule. If Texas, for example, used some of that 6.8 million to get more offensive weapons I think they would be a better team.

I said all this on this forum instead of the around the NCAA one because I really think Heup has figured this out. He tried sticking with Milton because of the cannon for the arm but it did not fit. He got a little starried eyed with Nico because he was the prettiest girl at prom that year recruiting but Nico really never fit Heup's system. I think now Heupel knows divas can really screw up a locker room and his system needs a decent duel threat QB, not a NFL pocket passer. The extra money can be spent on important things like offensive line. Honestly, I think Heupel was the first coach to really embrace all the changes in college football and is now the first coach to start figuring out how to really make it work.
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The problem with 5 star qbs is ppl think just bc they have those stars next to their name they’re going to hit the ground running and have no problems adjusting to the next level. most Don’t , only very few do. So yes I think they’re overrated but if you can get a guy who’s a 5 star and Rdy to get to work. It would be worth it .
 
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Orangecrush#27 said:
The problem with 5 star qbs is ppl think just bc they have those stars next to their name they’re going to hit the ground running and have no problems adjusting to the next level. most Don’t , only very few do. So yes I think they’re overrated but if you can get a guy who’s a 5 star and Rdy to get to work. It would be worth it .
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That is why QBs and WRs need to enroll in January. They then get exposed to the difference in High School and College during the Winter and Spring workouts. It makes a difference, learning the speed of the game.
 
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Carp said:
Haynesworth had motivation issues in college my man. So money wasn't the only factor there.

But since you brought him up, he got paid a lot on his rookie contract and still played great for the Titans. He was considered the best DT in the league. Sure, once he took the big FA deal, he stopped caring. Of course they also wanted him to change positions in Washington, which he didn't want to do. That isn't a good excuse to dog it, I am just explaining that is was part of the issue.

Kids still care about making the NFL. A few stacks of hundreds isn't going to make a difference to the vast majority of players who know that the NFL is where the real money is at.

Not only that, but there is still incentive to play better regardless of the NFL, because the better you play, the more leverage you have to renegotiate to get more money.
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Yes, I remember him only playing hard/with emotion his freshman and sophomore year against South Carolina. His junior year,... he balled out.... for a contract. The part in bold above is making my point. If you take a player whose household income is =< $80k, and you throw $300k at them to "play". Some motivation could wain, ie. "they've arrived". Now, imagine same kid being given $2-3M? With this scenario, it is pretty easy to get "lax" when you just signed a contract that will play you more than your parents have/will earn in 20-25 years. It is the equivalent of "F.... you money". (sorry for the street crudeness - but you get my point). We'll see how this all plays out in the next 3-5 years. I sincerely hope I'm wrong and you're right btw.
 
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77' Vol said:
Having Faizon committed makes it possible to recruit highly rated WRs such as Tristen Keys. Otherwise, VOLS would have had no chance at Keys.
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Don't mean to be negative, but we don't really have him until he signs and steps out on the field, and who knows, for 1 year and transfer. Or change on signing day. The transfer portal needs to go back to the way it used to be or when they sign an nil deal it should be for a number of years in the contract and if they transfer before then the other school has to pay the remainder on the contract. But with this said, just going back to sitting out a year would fix most of the problems.
 
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