Are people going crazy because they think Oklahoma is a 8-5 football team?

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I'm disappointed like everyone else about the game but we did not lose to an inferior team. Many experts have Oklahoma making the playoff. Practically no one picked us and many were afraid we would get embarrassed. This loss hurts but it's not embrassing. Losing to Toledo at home is embrassing.

Butch Jones may not know many things but he does know talent. Before the Bowling Green game, he said they were an explosive offense with an NFL QB. I took it as coach speak and thought we would handle them easily. We now know Bowling Green is a good football team. Similarly, Butch said Oklahoma is underrated and a top 5 football team. If that turns out to be true, then we just had a playoff team on the ropes.

This team can still be great. Folks need to let the season play itself out before making declarations this early in the season. Bringing negativity to this football team this early in the season is wrong.

Tennessee fans need to grow up.
 
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At worst OU is even with UT. People on here saying UT would go 8-4 was saying UT would not just lose to UGA and Bama (who are predicted better) but 2 more losses means dropping 2 to equal teams seeing how the rest of the schedule featured even teams. This was one of them and they had them beat for 3 quarters.

I'm losing my confidencd in Butch, but the season is far from lost. We need to reakixe that and I PRAY the team does.
 
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My anger and concern has absolutely NOTHING to do with the quality of the Oklahoma football team. They can win the national championship or go 1-11 for all I care.

If Tennessee had been playing the Green Bay Packers Saturday night and the circumstances had evolved as they did, I would still be ticked off that they lost and concerned with the ability of the coaching staff.
 
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No, "people are going crazy" because we had a signature win in hand vs a national power and our coaching staff pissed it away.
 
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If OU beats TCU and/or Baylor then they're legit

And I believe they will. This is a team that is one year removed from beating Alabama in a bowl game. Just think. When's the last time we were competitive with Alabama let alone beat them?

Saturday was not a step back. It was a step forward. We showed for the first time in a long time that we can compete with the elites of college football.

I have not given up on this team or this coaching staff. The direction of the team is still going up.
 
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At worst OU is even with UT. People on here saying UT would go 8-4 was saying UT would not just lose to UGA and Bama (who are predicted better) but 2 more losses means dropping 2 to equal teams seeing how the rest of the schedule featured even teams. This was one of them and they had them beat for 3 quarters.

I'm losing my confidencd in Butch, but the season is far from lost. We need to reakixe that and I PRAY the team does.


I tried that once, but pulled a hamstring.
 
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No, "people are going crazy" because we had a signature win in hand vs a national power and our coaching staff pissed it away.

So you prefer losing by 24 points like we did last year? Even if the staff failed this game, that's a tremendous gap we closed in one year. One game shouldn't define these guys. Lets wait for the season to end before making bold declarations.

Tennessee is alot better now than 2 years ago when Oregon was embrassing us. We can now actually compete again against the elite of college football.
 
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My anger and concern has absolutely NOTHING to do with the quality of the Oklahoma football team. They can win the national championship or go 1-11 for all I care.

If Tennessee had been playing the Green Bay Packers Saturday night and the circumstances had evolved as they did, I would still be ticked off that they lost and concerned with the ability of the coaching staff.

But why being negativity this early into a season? If this becomes a regular occurence. If we continue to lose close games to teams we can and should beat. Then yes. You can begin attacking the coaching staff.

But it's frikkin week 2. At least lets wait and see if Butch Jones really doesn't know what he's doing. If this happens again and again, I'll join you. I just think its too much for one game in week 2.
 
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We gave the game away with conservative play calling. I don't care how good or not good they are.

I keep hearing this from Vol fans, but would love to know what different plays you would have called. If anything, I think some of the passing on 3rd and 3 should have been running plays.

Tennessee starts slinging the ball around the field, and OU probably gets a turnover. Certainly a couple more sacks on Dobbs, or at the very least scrambling and throwing a pass on the run.

I was surprised that you didn't go for it on 4th and 1 on the first possession--but of course if you get stuffed, the momentum would have swung significantly.
 
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I'm disappointed like everyone else about the game but we did not lose to an inferior team. . . . Bringing negativity to this football team this early in the season is wrong.

Agreed. The coaching staff deserves criticism for the field goal decision in the first quarter and the hyper-conservative play calling in the second half, but the "FAHR BUTCH" crowd needs to shut the hell up. We wouldn't have ever built a 17 point lead over a team like Oklahoma without the elite talent Butch recruited.

I was in the stadium on Saturday night, and the atmosphere hasn't been that electric since the 1990s. Notwithstanding the outcome of the game, it's obvious that we're already better than an 8-4 team, where most of the same people calling for Jones' head now predicted we'd finish.

Snap and clear!!!
 
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Losses like the one that we just sustained hurt so much because you can play the “what if” scenarios ad nauseum and, with respect specifically to the Oklahoma game, because of how superbly our defense played for three quarters. Unfortunately, far too many contributors to this forum refuse to exercise even a scintilla of perspective and choose instead to focus exclusively on the negativity of the immediate past. Let’s take a very short look back at the magnitude of losses that Tennessee has suffered during the Butch Jones era:

2013.
Oregon (11-2) L 59-14
Florida (4-8) L 31-17
Georgia (8-5) L 34-31
Alabama (11-2) L 45-10
Missouri (12-2) L 31-3
Auburn (12-2) L 55-23
Vanderbilt (9-4) L 14-10

Ave. margin of defeat: 23 points (only because we narrowly lost to GA and VU; we had four absolute blowout losses).

2014.
Oklahoma (8-5) L 34-10
Georgia (10-3) L 35-32
Florida (7-5) L 10-9
Mississippi (9-4) L 34-3
Alabama (12-2) L 34-20
Missouri (11-3) L 29-21

Ave. margin of defeat: 11.6 points (two blowout losses).

2015.
Oklahoma (2-0) L 31-24 (double overtime).

I understand impatience; it is the nature of the beast when it comes to SEC football. However, one simply cannot dismiss the fact that Butch inherited a team that was woefully deficient in talent, as evidenced by an average 23-point margin of defeat in his first year. Through recruiting, he reduced that figure by 50% in year two and now has us at the point where, in terms of talent, we can stand toe to toe with virtually anyone on our schedule, other than Alabama. People may be sick to death of hearing the word "process," but climbing out of the crater created by the Fulmer-Kiffin-Dooley turnstile is exactly that.

Yes, there probably will be more heartbreakingly close losses; that happens when significant talent discrepancies no longer exist. However, we also will begin to break through with victories in some of those matchups and I would not be surprised to see us emerge with “scalps” that formerly belonged to Gators, Bulldogs or both. Barring significant additional injuries at critical positions, we are finally truly competitive again and that is the first major step to restoring our program to the altitude we all expect of it.
 
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I'm disappointed like everyone else about the game but we did not lose to an inferior team. Many experts have Oklahoma making the playoff. Practically no one picked us and many were afraid we would get embarrassed. This loss hurts but it's not embrassing. Losing to Toledo at home is embrassing.

Butch Jones may not know many things but he does know talent. Before the Bowling Green game, he said they were an explosive offense with an NFL QB. I took it as coach speak and thought we would handle them easily. We now know Bowling Green is a good football team. Similarly, Butch said Oklahoma is underrated and a top 5 football team. If that turns out to be true, then we just had a playoff team on the ropes.

This team can still be great. Folks need to let the season play itself out before making declarations this early in the season. Bringing negativity to this football team this early in the season is wrong.

Tennessee fans need to grow up.

I'm mad because this coaching staff is in their 3rd season here and our passing scheme is trash at it's worst and average at its best. NOBODY, outside of GA Tech, can beat good defenses with only their running attack. We need to spend this whole week of practice, and the whole game against this cupcake coming up, doing nothing but throwing the ball. We HAVE TO get better in the passing game to get where we all want to be!!!!!!
 
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But why being negativity this early into a season? If this becomes a regular occurence. If we continue to lose close games to teams we can and should beat. Then yes. You can begin attacking the coaching staff.

But it's frikkin week 2. At least lets wait and see if Butch Jones really doesn't know what he's doing. If this happens again and again, I'll join you. I just think its too much for one game in week 2.

It's not just 1 game, in week 2!
Remember Florida last year-- they sucked but we lost to them.
OU is not a playoff team, maybe a little better than us maybe not, BUT we had a 17 point lead at home and lost.
When are we going to beat a team were not supposed to beat?
 
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I'm disappointed like everyone else about the game but we did not lose to an inferior team. Many experts have Oklahoma making the playoff. Practically no one picked us and many were afraid we would get embarrassed. This loss hurts but it's not embrassing. Losing to Toledo at home is embrassing.

Butch Jones may not know many things but he does know talent. Before the Bowling Green game, he said they were an explosive offense with an NFL QB. I took it as coach speak and thought we would handle them easily. We now know Bowling Green is a good football team. Similarly, Butch said Oklahoma is underrated and a top 5 football team. If that turns out to be true, then we just had a playoff team on the ropes.

This team can still be great. Folks need to let the season play itself out before making declarations this early in the season. Bringing negativity to this football team this early in the season is wrong.

Tennessee fans need to grow up.

Don't start bringing logic in here people go crazy, sometimes our biggest opponent is our own fans.
 
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The ones losing their minds are either stupid or irrational. Likely both.

The loudest ones are usually the dumbest.


The loudest ones, dubbed the "Legions of the Miserable" by Johnny Majors, also tend to have the strongest knee-jerk reflex responses. Anyone who knows a good orthopedist, preferably one with extensive experience in treating hyperextensions of the knee joint, would be doing Vol Nation a service by providing referrals as needed.
 
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So you prefer losing by 24 points like we did last year? Even if the staff failed this game, that's a tremendous gap we closed in one year. One game shouldn't define these guys. Lets wait for the season to end before making bold declarations.

Tennessee is alot better now than 2 years ago when Oregon was embrassing us. We can now actually compete again against the elite of college football.

Better, yes. The scary part moving forward for most of us is the fact we are seeing a pattern for how the coaching staff manages games. So even if we win some pretty even games(which by all odds is capable) even with the play not to lose mentality, then the philosophy is still there.

If it was youth, depth, talent, or just that we were overall inferior to the other team then that's one thing, something that can be improved on. The scary part is the coaching philosophy is the core of what makes a coach on game day. That's a lot harder to change if possible.

The hurt feelings have nothing to do with the lose when it boils down to it, it's about seeing repeated patterns that goes back to last year probably year one as well. His first year here we were more forgiving because we recognized we were building, and not there. Saturday night our guys proved they could perform, but the play calling shut it down after we got to 17. Sure there were missed calls, penalties, injuries, and bad plays made by a very tired defense. All that aside if the coaching staff would have had trust in the guys to play like they did from the beginning we wouldn't have had to worry about/or as much about the penalties and such.

No good/great team plays with the same mindset that was shown Saturday. You put your foot on their throat and keep attacking until it's so far gone that the second string gets in the game. Backing off gives the other team room to gain momentum. Sure OK made adjustments, but adjustments are suppose to be made by both teams. It's a chess match, got to counter the others. Also the hurry up offense going 3 and out running the same plays over and over again makes it even less time on the field for the offense and even more time for the defense to wear down. It was the same exact sorry in a ton of games last year.

I'm not against Butch, mainly out of fear of what would have to happen if he is out. He's a great recruiter, has pride for school and the tradition. I believe if he and his staff change the game plan up then we are golden. It's just difficult to believe that will happen when down to a T it happened the same way last year to Florida for example.

I hope when they watch the film they don't try to figure out why the repeat plays they called didn't work, but rather think "man we really did a poor job directing our guys in the attack starategy.

There's of course other issues as well, all small in comparison to the game time philosophy. For example: we have a talented WR unit, but get very little touches. Sure they need to get open more, so teach them how to run their routes better or devise new ideas. On the other hand you can watch the game or highlights and see that many times there are receivers open. North got his first pass Saturday since the SC game last year(I didn't go back and verify, it was posted by another forum member who tends to be on top of things). Pearson, and Pig were limited too. Not utilizing our WR units doesn't provide room for running backs to get established due to them stuffing the line.

And kicking a field goal on the first drive at about 1 foot out!

finally I just want say again, I'm praying to see change. I'm not saying he needs to be fired. I'm not sure if he's our ultimately answer either. Playing the same way we did the other night WILL NOT GET US BACK ON THE MAIN STAGE EVER!! I can handle a loss as long as I see fight from the coaches like we did from our players.
 
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