APR Progress under Butch

#53
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Biopsyman said:
Spot on.. Just look at the majors that some are taking.. For every Dobbs... There is someone on the only end just here to play ball and hopefully get a degree in something
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No different than a lot of students. Some know exactly what they want to be - some don't.
 
#54
#54
I find it interesting that some of you are just assuming that most of the athletes are not using this opportunity wisely. It is not the 1980's of 1990's anymore.

To get through high school some of these kids have taken courses in high school that would have been offered only in college back then. And most know more about technology than the older folks they will eventually work side by side with.
 
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volfan102455 said:
I find it interesting that some of you are just assuming that most of the athletes are not using this opportunity wisely. It is not the 1980's of 1990's anymore.

To get through high school some of these kids have taken courses in high school that would have been offered only in college back then. And most know more about technology than the older folks they will eventually work side by side with.
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There were kids in the 80s and 90s that prep themselves in HS for college no different than now.

The ones that could play football then and now that didn't, still found a way through HS and on to college and you cheered them just the same I'm sure even if you had no clue.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Only a very small percentage of players who play college football get an opportunity to play in the NFL. Most of the young men who play on Saturdays will in fact end up in a different career.

The APR and other measures of education that the NCAA have put in place is to make sure that there is a focus on the academic growth of the athletes and that they are not taking the nonsense major like they have in the past.

It is really sad that you feel the way you do given that you should understand how important a college education is.
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You misunderstand my point. It has nothing to do with the NFL. When they come here just to play football, they inevitably take an easy useless major, and do the minimum to pass.

Great. They got a college education in a field with no jobs that they had no passion in to begin with. It's meaningless.

We would be better off telling it exactly like it is. If you don't want to take school seriously, or you aren't smart enough, this is your chance to just focus on football for four years and then figure out your career after that.

No reason to lie and act like their degree in cultural basket weaving has any value outside of the University back-patting circle.

At the end of the day, they will never weed out players who are good at football, don't care about school, but are willing to do the minimum. If college taught me one thing, it's that no one can he forced to learn against their will.

A bit of an aside, but this business of pretending you need a higher level degree to have a career is blatantly false and is destroying the credibility of a post-secondary education. Imo.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
A bit of an aside, but this business of pretending you need a higher level degree to have a career is blatantly false and is destroying the credibility of a post-secondary education. Imo.
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Yes you can have a career even without a high school diploma but there are differences in where the career can take one to. And level of education does play into that. Granted there are exceptions.

It is an individual choice and depends upon ones goals in life.

http://money.cnn.com/infographic/economy/college-degree-earnings/
 
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voljohn22 said:
Do we need a whole bunch of Dexter Manleys representing our University? What is the reason you attend college.Academics should be primary,Athletics secondary.
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It should be and is.....for non scholarship athletes. But especially the ones that generate all the revenue, the players better win and academics simply play second fiddle to that. The reality of it is different that the philosophical right and wrong of it. You surely know this.

When a program can marry the high academic standards with high achievement on the field or court, then you have something special. But as the poster who you responded to said, if all your athletes have a 4.0 but lose every or even the majority of their games, you're gonna have a whole lotta empty seats in Neyland and TBA and steady change of coaches
 
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Ten_Titans said:
You misunderstand my point. It has nothing to do with the NFL. When they come here just to play football, they inevitably take an easy useless major, and do the minimum to pass.

Great. They got a college education in a field with no jobs that they had no passion in to begin with. It's meaningless.

We would be better off telling it exactly like it is. If you don't want to take school seriously, or you aren't smart enough, this is your chance to just focus on football for four years and then figure out your career after that.

No reason to lie and act like their degree in cultural basket weaving has any value outside of the University back-patting circle.

At the end of the day, they will never weed out players who are good at football, don't care about school, but are willing to do the minimum. If college taught me one thing, it's that no one can he forced to learn against their will.

A bit of an aside, but this business of pretending you need a higher level degree to have a career is blatantly false and is destroying the credibility of a post-secondary education. Imo.
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If football gets a kid through college regardless of major then it is good for the kid. College broadens your horizons and teaches you to think critically. The world needs more people that realize most issues are more complex than they appear. Even if the student/player ends up in a job that doesn't require the degree, he will be a better person and employ than if he didn't go to college. There are jobs for people with degrees in urban studies. Look at the problems we have in urban areas.
Just for reference I am not a liberal arts major. BSME UT.
 
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DocVol said:
Who. Cares.

Let me know when win % and championship % drastically increase.
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Better care or you get postseason bans which mean no championships. We were almost there when Dooley left. Most thought we would be. Another uninformed post by someone trying to be cute bashing the program for something that is going right.
 
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KBVol said:
Thank Dr Joe Scoggin at the Thornton Center for the actual heavy lifting here. Butch certainly deserves thanks and credit here as well for a job well done. It's one of the many off the field things that he's been very good at since taking over the program.
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Thank you for an informed and rational post relevant to the topic. :hi:

I suspect you've weathered enough FF to slough off the inevitable posts tarring you as a Sunshine Pumper for having presented a non-negative observation about Jones.
 
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81Orange said:
If football gets a kid through college regardless of major then it is good for the kid. College broadens your horizons and teaches you to think critically. The world needs more people that realize most issues are more complex than they appear. Even if the student/player ends up in a job that doesn't require the degree, he will be a better person and employ than if he didn't go to college. There are jobs for people with degrees in urban studies. Look at the problems we have in urban areas.
Just for reference I am not a liberal arts major. BSME UT.
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To expound upon your post, all formal education is about learning how to learn, developing the method and discipline to research, discover, subsume, and apply. Even the socialization aspect of primary and secondary education augments this.
 
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