Anybody just lost interest in todays College football

What it was meant to be was a way for the NCAA and the schools to exploit the athletes for profit. They still do, but now at least some if the athletes get to share some of the profits.
I don’t know that people were intentionally trying to exploit athletes. That’s a newer narrative when NIL picked up. Perhaps I’m naive in that thought.

I believe it was a case of trying to put more and more controls in place to address problems, cheating, etc. to follow amateur competitive rules. As with most regulating bodies they just add rules vs. being strategic and it becomes bloated until failure.

I admit it may have become that in the last 10ish years, just don’t think it was always an intentional initiative.
 
I don’t know that people were intentionally trying to exploit athletes. That’s a newer narrative when NIL picked up. Perhaps I’m naive in that thought.

I believe it was a case of trying to put more and more controls in place to address problems, cheating, etc. to follow amateur competitive rules. As with most regulating bodies they just add rules vs. being strategic and it becomes bloated until failure.

I admit it may have become that in the last 10ish years, just don’t think it was always an intentional initiative.
The NCAA was in a bad spot but they knew the players were being exploited.

They knew some were getting paid illegally and were worth far more to the schools than just the athletic scholarship. They knew that.

They also knew that what we're seeing now was the outcome if they started compensating the athletes openly. They knew they couldn't control NIL, nor any open compensation, without turning college athletics into pro athletics. They knew that.

I've seen over and over people saying "They should've compromised. They should've let the players get some money." They can't now and couldn't then control compensation once they allowed it in any form.

How are you going to tell schools you can openly give $20M to athletes, but that's all..... no more and not expect to be sued because an industry like, for instance, the auto industry can't say "No automaker can have a payroll of more than $20M. Not Chevy, not Ford, no one." That's directly non-competitive for businesses. Forget the workers for a moment, that's not good for the businesses competing to get workers. The NCAA knew this.

They couldn't crack the door at all on player compensation without it turning into an open bidding war with no limit on a team's budget for players. UNLESS, they go to a pro model with unions, salary caps, free agency rules, etc, etc.

No one wanted to see that so the NCAA willingly exploited the athletes as long as they could so everyone else in the industry could make money. They knew it. They made a choice.
 
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I feel like with NIL and all the changes i find myself just not having as much interest in it. Depressing honestly. I personally think all college sports are ruined going forward. I’ll still watch the Vols but it’s just meh at this point. There’s no team loyalty, it’s just about money now.
I'll tell you what I've lost interest in is Bama winning the natty every other year. Therefore the answer is no!
 
I don’t know that people were intentionally trying to exploit athletes. That’s a newer narrative when NIL picked up. Perhaps I’m naive in that thought.

I believe it was a case of trying to put more and more controls in place to address problems, cheating, etc. to follow amateur competitive rules. As with most regulating bodies they just add rules vs. being strategic and it becomes bloated until failure.

I admit it may have become that in the last 10ish years, just don’t think it was always an intentional initiative.
The NCAA entire sports model was illegal.andvopen exploitation. So says the U.S. Supreme Court we gen they ruled 9-0 against the NCAA in the NCAA vs Alston compensation case.


"Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate
Under ordinary principles of antitrust law, it is not evident why college sports should be any different."

"The NCAA is not above the law."

SCOTUS Justice Brett Kavanaugh
Concurring opinion
NCAA vs Alston
 
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The point missing here (and I agree w/free markets) is football used to be something you played FOR your school while you earned a degree. It was never meant to be a job.

I’m with you, Maximize your value. The NCAA went way to far and this is the correction now.
Then, if this is the point, all the money needs to go into education and coaches need to coach for their schools and make reasonable salaries.
 
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Then, if this is the point, all the money needs to go into education and coaches need to coach for their schools and make reasonable salaries.
Coaches were always hired to do a job as an employee; no different than teachers and/or administrators. Players were intended to be students and their incentive was a free ride. Saying coaches and players have the same place within a school makes no sense to me. Your comment falls into a straw man fallacy.

Out of curiosity please define what you would consider a "reasonable" salary?
 
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Feels like NIL and the portal were not to better the conditions for student athletes, but instead a means to get even with high paid coaches who leave programs for bigger paychecks with no repercussions
 
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Yeah... It does feel like the heart and soul of college football is slowly fading away....

Honestly it's why I love European soccer so much. The fans have done a fantastic job keeping the soul of the game there to the point the entire continent rioted when they tried to form a "Super League". Unfortunately with our culture being heavily influenced by capitalism it was probably an eventuality that College Football would become a soulless business...
Yeah, I get up on Saturday mornings and watch the Premier League. It's just a good game.
Appropriately called Football.
 
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I am not sure what has happened, but I have pretty much stopped watching college sports this year. One of my daughters plays soccer out west, so we obviously follow her closely. Unsure what has happened. I guess I just got older and realize these are fairly young kids playing a meaningless game with no importance in/on my life once my own kids are not involved. Sort of strange because it just sort of happened. On the other hand, I still click on the icon to come to this board every week or two to see what I missed (and to copy/paste some of the dad jokes in the other forum on this board to ensure I can still get a long distance "rolling of the eyes" response from my kids)...:)
 
I feel like with NIL and all the changes i find myself just not having as much interest in it. Depressing honestly. I personally think all college sports are ruined going forward. I’ll still watch the Vols but it’s just meh at this point. There’s no team loyalty, it’s just about money now.
Not me, I'll always have interest in it. Truthfully, it's not like any of us wouldn't do the exact same thing at their age. Fans can complain about it, but it wouldn't be any different if it had started when we were that age.

Hell, I love the playoffs outside of how they do the seeding. There was still a lot of good games outside of the opening round. It's to the point now that you either change and evolve, or you become the doormat and end up in the Birmingham Bowl.
 
If you look at the playoff the only surprise is Notre Dame and maybe Penn State but they both are name brands that recruit pretty well. The other two are the usual suspects. NIL hasn’t really changed who the best teams are IMO.
Not so sure about that. It changed quite a bit. Arizona St, SMU, Indiana have benefited from NIL and even TN, Penn St,Ole Miss and Boise have benefited from it also . It's hurt GA, Ala,Clemson because talent has been spread around. Last year, Washington threw their name in the right. There will not be any more dynasty's like Ala just had. Those years are gone and parity is here to stay.

Who knows who will be next years Indiana, SMU, Washington etc.
 
Coaches were always hired to do a job as an employee; no different than teachers and/or administrators. Players were intended to be students and their incentive was a free ride. Saying coaches and players have the same place within a school makes no sense to me. Your comment falls into a straw man fallacy.

Out of curiosity please define what you would consider a "reasonable" salary?
Fair market value. That's not a set number. It's whatever the market will bear. It's no different than setting a price point for a coach, a CEO, a landscaper, or a Happy Meal.
 
No I haven’t lost interest, and for the ones that say they have they spend a lot of time on here complaining about it. College football has never been more popular. And the stands are still going to be full and the tailgates will be bigger than ever. I might not like everything about it, but it is better now than when the privileged few schools could pay away and everyone else was getting a colonoscopy from the NCAA. A Vol fan as long as I am breathing, forever pulling for the Big Orange!!!! VFL! GBO
 
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My issue with Tennessee and all sports these days is officiating. I understand the issues with NIL, pay to play, gambling, etc. For me, it would seem that given the pressure from big money, officiating would be even a bigger issue and more would work together to fix the problem. The Chiefs are accused of cheating or getting calls. Both Lady Vols and Men's team at Vandy were royally screwed by officials and then the men got screwed again at Auburn. I believe the answer is more technology, views, etc. and more time allocated to reviews by some independent officials watching the game and having TV plus other feeds to make the right calls. My two cents but, most everyone I know talks about officiating and that seems to turn off fans. At least in High School, with limited TV and we do not see the blatant bad calls. The set up of Tennessee at Ohio State and potential we might play Georgia at Georgia twice this year or "home field advantages" also need to be addressed.
 
My issue with Tennessee and all sports these days is officiating. I understand the issues with NIL, pay to play, gambling, etc. For me, it would seem that given the pressure from big money, officiating would be even a bigger issue and more would work together to fix the problem. The Chiefs are accused of cheating or getting calls. Both Lady Vols and Men's team at Vandy were royally screwed by officials and then the men got screwed again at Auburn. I believe the answer is more technology, views, etc. and more time allocated to reviews by some independent officials watching the game and having TV plus other feeds to make the right calls. My two cents but, most everyone I know talks about officiating and that seems to turn off fans. At least in High School, with limited TV and we do not see the blatant bad calls. The set up of Tennessee at Ohio State and potential we might play Georgia at Georgia twice this year or "home field advantages" also need to be addressed.
Are you still watching? The answer is viewership is up in the NFL and college, so no..... officiating isn't turning fans off.

People have complained about officiating in every sport and on every level from the Olympics to PeeWee football as long as I've been alive. And they've watched more and more and more and more to the point that we're at now with enormous money being involved.

Some people get all in their feels about officiating but overall it has zero impact on fans, obviously. If you personally don't like it, there's an off button on your phone or TV.
 
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College football is like minor league baseball. Players should get about $1500 a month for spend money.

I promise you that if minor league baseball generated anywhere near the revenue of college football and had billion dollar media deals that the players would be getting a hell of a lot more than $1500 a month. Minor league baseball = the NBA G-League.
 
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I still watch but don't have the passion like before. NIL, transfer portal, outrageous salaries for coaches & players (it's pretty much a prostitution ring), legalized gambling, etc. have pretty much soiled a great sport. Y'all have fun, but to me I prefer old movie reruns. Still, Go Vols.
The free market called and said that what they make is not outrageous.

It also said that an ECON 101class could be your friend.
 
The free market called and said that what they make is not outrageous.

It also said that an ECON 101class could be your friend.
Just because some idiots are willing to pay a college player 4 million/year doesn't justify it. The president makes 400,000/year and his body guard makes around 190,000/year. Which of those 3 people are the least important in terms of relevance to our county? You get 3 guesses 🤫
 
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It seems to me that the 12 team playoff somewhat saved college football this year. All of the drama around who would make it in added interest. The portal brings good and bad elements to the game. NCAA, Universities, etc blew it when they tried to keep a complete lid on paying athletes versus finding a rational, fair system of payment. I don't see that genie ever going back in the bottle.
 

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