Any Expected Commitments During Camp?

#26
#26
CP was JuCo. Let's see how he turns out. Couch was juco. I expect him to have a good year, too. 4-5 JuCos in one class is a lot, but we'll see how it turns out.
 
#27
#27
Plus, I wouldn't want to think where we'd be on our d-line depth without Sentimore and Couch right now. We need to bring the best football talent in regardless of where they go to school. I understand the argument that 4 years to develop is a good thing, but we don't have that luxury right now with our lack of depth.
 
#28
#28
ORANGE & WHITE said:
Plus, I wouldn't want to think where we'd be on our d-line depth without Sentimore and Couch right now. We need to bring the best football talent in regardless of where they go to school. I understand the argument that 4 years to develop is a good thing, but we don't have that luxury right now with our lack of depth.
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This is a great point and you can add big McCullers to that D line as well. Thank god for Juco's this upcoming season or we'd be in some serious trouble.
 
#29
#29
even with that said, recruiting all of these Juco Kids in 2013 seems like a giant desperation Hail Mary
 
#30
#30
I4Jay said:
even with that said, recruiting all of these Juco Kids in 2013 seems like a giant desperation Hail Mary
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I agree, I can see taking a few JUCO guys a year to give some solid depth but we are going after a lot of them this year. We need to have a good mix of HS kids as well to give them time to develope.
 
#31
#31
ORANGE & WHITE said:
Plus, I wouldn't want to think where we'd be on our d-line depth without Sentimore and Couch right now. We need to bring the best football talent in regardless of where they go to school. I understand the argument that 4 years to develop is a good thing, but we don't have that luxury right now with our lack of depth.
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I don't disagree with you at all, the last couple of years have given us no choice.

But.. What does that say that after 3 classes we still need a lot of JUCO's to fill out our roster? Its hard to fill the cupboard with 2 year players that you may get one good year out of. Ask Huston Nut how playing a ton of JUCO's helped him stay employed

Also Sentimore started at UA and is more like a transfer to me, Couch has 3 years to play. So not your typical JUCO's.
 
#32
#32
A lot of the Jucos Dooley has brought in have been 3 to play 3 guys. It seems like he sees them as a bargain. They're going to contribute sooner than HS guys and they still have almost as long to develop.

I don't know if any of the juco kids we're after this year fall into this category though.
 
#34
#34
bebecerveza said:
I don't disagree with you at all, the last couple of years have given us no choice.

But.. What does that say that after 3 classes we still need a lot of JUCO's to fill out our roster? Its hard to fill the cupboard with 2 year players that you may get one good year out of. Ask Huston Nut how playing a ton of JUCO's helped him stay employed

Also Sentimore started at UA and is more like a transfer to me, Couch has 3 years to play. So not your typical JUCO's.
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I understand the concern. My argument would be look at the quality comparison. Two of our JUCOs have been 5 star talent. Dooley may take JUCOs, but he doesn't bring in crap.
 
#38
#38
If the Juco's that he is after are better athletes you would'nt take lesser tallent from Hs. just to have a good mix. Plus Bill Snyder laughs at the idea you can't build a good team using juco help.
 
#40
#40
I like the JUCO guys they are bringing in, mainly because of the positions they are being brought in at. With Couch, Sentimore, McCullers and hopefully Toby Johnson this year it allows stud freshman like Danny O'Brien and hopefully Latham/Crayton this year to not be forced to start. They will definitely be in the rotation, but not counted on as All SEC performers, next best thing to being able to RS them IMO.

It isn't like they are bringing in JUCO's at QB and starting them right off, they are all rotational type players that are helping supplement the 4 year guys already here. I think there is a decent mix and I expect to see them perform at a high level this year. I don't think 4 a year is too many unless it is all at one position.
 
#41
#41
You can get a lot of instant impact from juco players, if they're willing to come here and have the talent, why keep them from coming in? The juco guys Dooley has brought in have all worked out thus far and also talented. Moore,Lanier, Couch, Sentimore (was a starter at bama). Patterson(maybe the best receiver in last years class, juco or hs). I have no problem with any of the juco guys we've signed.
 
#42
#42
and two years from now when those JuCo guys are gone, we will have lost out on the ppportunity to have Young HS players reach their highest potential as Upperclassmen.

thats why you never want to have that many in one class, or you will be chasing your tail with more and more Juco players every couple years trying to replenish talent.
 
#43
#43
I guess we will see, but to say that the JUCO guys that he has brought in have been pretty good would be a stretch in my opinion.

Moore - haven't seen much from him
Lanier - believe he is now gone?
Couch - Still has 2 more years and I do see him getting better and he's a 3 year guy.
Sentimore - Has potential, could be another Jackson type player, not proven yet.
Patterson - Has all world talent, yet to be proven.
McCullers - Big dude, could be a mount cody type again yet to be proven

Look not trying to be the "negavol" or "troll" on here. I was there in 98' and just like everyone else here I want to get back to that level. Also other than Couch who else has 3 to play 3 that will be in the mix?
 
#44
#44
bebecerveza said:
I guess we will see, but to say that the JUCO guys that he has brought in have been pretty good would be a stretch in my opinion.

Moore - haven't seen much from him
Lanier - believe he is now gone?
Couch - Still has 2 more years and I do see him getting better and he's a 3 year guy.
Sentimore - Has potential, could be another Jackson type player, not proven yet.
Patterson - Has all world talent, yet to be proven.
McCullers - Big dude, could be a mount cody type again yet to be proven

Look not trying to be the "negavol" or "troll" on here. I was there in 98' and just like everyone else here I want to get back to that level. Also other than Couch who else has 3 to play 3 that will be in the mix?.
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Yes Lanier is gone, I'm just saying the guys he's brought in have been a help to the team. Moore came in over weight ( which happens with a lot of recruits not just juco) but has probably played his way into the other safety spot, for now at least. All players brought in was in necessity, and a huge one at that.

I understand the concern with the high number were after this year but I believe most may just be a safety valve. I do however hope we land dt Johnson regardless of who else we land. As for the 3 to play 3, I'm not really sure to be honest with u. Nothing wrong with good healthy debate. I'm with you, I want to put a great football team on the field. It's been waaaaaaay to long.
 
#47
#47
bebecerveza said:
I guess we will see, but to say that the JUCO guys that he has brought in have been pretty good would be a stretch in my opinion.

Moore - haven't seen much from him
Lanier - believe he is now gone?
Couch - Still has 2 more years and I do see him getting better and he's a 3 year guy.
Sentimore - Has potential, could be another Jackson type player, not proven yet.
Patterson - Has all world talent, yet to be proven.
McCullers - Big dude, could be a mount cody type again yet to be proven

Look not trying to be the "negavol" or "troll" on here. I was there in 98' and just like everyone else here I want to get back to that level. Also other than Couch who else has 3 to play 3 that will be in the mix?
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That's only 6 total guys, 3 of which were brought in to play arguably our weakest position, DL. If we were able to recruit incoming freshman like Jernigan etc I'm sure they wouldn't all be here. At least to me, its definitely not too many, its simply supplementing our greatest areas of need until we can fill those spots with incoming freshman.
 
#48
#48
HardKnoxVol said:
Princeton Harlan. Him and Tiny are huge friends and he's pushing him to come here
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I hope not...I just don't want to put a lot of stock in a converted QB at safety or WR when we already have a bunch of high profile dudes on our radar at both positions.
 
#49
#49
RhodesVol said:
I hope not...I just don't want to put a lot of stock in a converted QB at safety or WR when we already have a bunch of high profile dudes on our radar at both positions.
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Have you seen him throw? He's extremely fast and has precision
 
#50
#50
ionaVOL said:
That's only 6 total guys, 3 of which were brought in to play arguably our weakest position, DL. If we were able to recruit incoming freshman like Jernigan etc I'm sure they wouldn't all be here. At least to me, its definitely not too many, its simply supplementing our greatest areas of need until we can fill those spots with incoming freshman.
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Sorry I forgot to throw in:
J. Brown 10 - FLA reject, never made it
D. Clark 10 - Never made it
M. Simms 10 - Louisville Reject, thrown to the wolves
M. Rivera 10 - Solid Player

Other than Rivera (and possibly Simms but I'm stretching) you can see how I might forget those dudes.

Plus "its simply supplementing our greatest areas of need until we can fill those spots with incoming freshman", don't you think there has been enough time now to have had fresh come in to those positions?
 
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