Another staggering folly by fulmer...

[chattavol420]

Based on the allegations that recently surfaced I kinda expected fulmer to make a statement rejected an invitation to a bowl game as a self imposed ban. We have absolutely nothing to play for this season and are an absolute $hit show right now. It would’ve been the perfect opportunity to get out ahead of this thing (as the article linked below suggest is often offered by the offending university). That’s exactly what lsu did this year. Instead fulmer accepts the invitation only to be forced to withdrawal a day later. So now we’re not playing in a game but could still have the possibility of a bowl ban in the future as we’re not going to get the benefit of not playing this year which could be used as a bargaining chip.
I can’t tell who’s more in over their heads at this point between fulmer and Pruitt. Both are historically bad. I guess we have to go with fulmer because he’s the idiot that hired the idiot.

NCAA Division I Committee on Infractions discusses Tennessee's alleged wrongdoings

I hope this doesn’t get merged. There’s already a couple of fire fulmer threads. But I think this is different in substance as it relates specifically to the bowl game and potential infractions were facing.

 

[GAVol]

Not a lot of meat on the bone there. Not a single word about the actual infractions or any specifics whatsoever; just generalities about the process.

There’s no way we were going to reject a bowl bid based on leaked allegations from an incomplete investigation.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

Based on the allegations that recently surfaced I kinda expected fulmer to make a statement rejected an invitation to a bowl game as a self imposed ban. We have absolutely nothing to play for this season and are an absolute $hit show right now. It would’ve been the perfect opportunity to get out ahead of this thing (as the article linked below suggest is often offered by the offending university). That’s exactly what lsu did this year. Instead fulmer accepts the invitation only to be forced to withdrawal a day later. So now we’re not playing in a game but could still have the possibility of a bowl ban in the future as we’re not going to get the benefit of not playing this year which could be used as a bargaining chip.
I can’t tell who’s more in over their heads at this point between fulmer and Pruitt. Both are historically bad. I guess we have to go with fulmer because he’s the idiot that hired the idiot.

NCAA Division I Committee on Infractions discusses Tennessee's alleged wrongdoings

I hope this doesn’t get merged. There’s already a couple of fire fulmer threads. But I think this is different in substance as it relates specifically to the bowl game and potential infractions were facing.

We were going to be fined by the SEC if we turned down the invite so the original premise of your post fails. I didn’t read the rest.

Edit: “Fine” is the wrong word. We would forfeit a share of the SEC bowl fund which may have of amounted to 8mil per Deerpark12.

 

[chattavol420]

Not a lot of meat on the bone there. Not a single word about the actual infractions or any specifics whatsoever; just generalities about the process.

There’s no way we were going to reject a bowl bid based on leaked allegations from an incomplete investigation.

So you’re saying you don’t think the violations are serious enough to possibly warrant a bowl ban in the future? They were serious enough to suspend 2 coaches and 2 players including our best offensive player for the game Saturday.

If there’s even a remote chance that our violations could result in penalties this season would've served as the perfect opportunity to sacrifice (while not really sacrificing anything meaningful) a bowl game in an effort to get out in front of things. That’s what lsu did earlier this year. A lot of folks laughed at their timing. They were 3-5 and getting ready to play Florida. They obviously had nothing meaningful to play for this season so why not.

 

[Firebirdparts]

He’s been told nothing as you can easily read. FWIW. Based on what Tennessee already did it appears the infractions are going to be very dull.

 

[chattavol420]

We were going to be fined by the SEC if we turned down the invite so the original premise of your post fails. I didn’t read the rest.

I don’t think that’s true. Or if so...it’s at least a very insignificant amount. I remember hearing a couple of weeks ago mark snoops talking about Kentucky might well turn down an invite this year. Hell Brian Kelly talking about skipping the damn playoffs due to all the covid stuff. And even if there was the threat of the sec levying a fine for a tram that declines an invite...that certainly wouldn’t matter if you were doing that as a imposed sanctions. So sorry...your argument fails. Lol

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

I don’t think that’s true. Or if so...it’s at least a very insignificant amount. I remember hearing a couple of weeks ago mark snoops talking about Kentucky might well turn down an invite this year. Hell Brian Kelly talking about skipping the damn playoffs due to all the covid stuff. And even if there was the threat of the sec levying a fine for a tram that declines an invite...that certainly wouldn’t matter if you were doing that as a imposed sanctions. So sorry...your argument fails. Lol

It’s been stated and referenced here all day long and it was going to be a significant amount. Check the threads , should be easy to find.

 

[Old Geezer]

We should announce our own punishment before an investigation?

 

[GAVol]

So you’re saying you don’t think the violations are serious enough to possibly warrant a bowl ban in the future? They were serious enough to suspend 2 coaches and 2 players including our best offensive player for the game Saturday.

If there’s even a remote chance that our violations could result in penalties this season would've served as the perfect opportunity to sacrifice (while not really sacrificing anything meaningful) a bowl game in an effort to get out in front of things. That’s what lsu did earlier this year. A lot of folks laughed at their timing. They were 3-5 and getting ready to play Florida. They obviously had nothing meaningful to play for this season so why not.

We have no earthly idea at this point what the exact allegations even are at this point. We just know that a compliance investigation got leaked.
We could be looking at anything from the Death Penalty to 2 hours of extra compliance training. Harralson and the guy he interviewed for this clickbait don’t seem to know specifics either. You’ve got no idea what the scope of the violations are or even where they are in the timeline of the investigation.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

So you’re saying you don’t think the violations are serious enough to possibly warrant a bowl ban in the future? They were serious enough to suspend 2 coaches and 2 players including our best offensive player for the game Saturday.

If there’s even a remote chance that our violations could result in penalties this season would've served as the perfect opportunity to sacrifice (while not really sacrificing anything meaningful) a bowl game in an effort to get out in front of things. That’s what lsu did earlier this year. A lot of folks laughed at their timing. They were 3-5 and getting ready to play Florida. They obviously had nothing meaningful to play for this season so why not.

Coaches out due to Covid. Maurer and Gray unavailable for the game probably due to violations(credit card). Per AV two other players made restitution for meals and dressed for the game.

 

[chattavol420]

We should announce our own punishment before an investigation?

Huh? They’ve been investigating for over a month and choose to suspend multiple members of our organization based on their finds. What are you talking about?

Now, I’m sure we don’t yet have a full report ready to be submitted yet but just saying most fans didn’t think it was wise to accept a bowl invitation to begin with. Just a thought

 

[DeerPark12]

So you’re saying you don’t think the violations are serious enough to possibly warrant a bowl ban in the future? They were serious enough to suspend 2 coaches and 2 players including our best offensive player for the game Saturday.

If there’s even a remote chance that our violations could result in penalties this season would've served as the perfect opportunity to sacrifice (while not really sacrificing anything meaningful) a bowl game in an effort to get out in front of things. That’s what lsu did earlier this year. A lot of folks laughed at their timing. They were 3-5 and getting ready to play Florida. They obviously had nothing meaningful to play for this season so why not.

No, they weren't. The coaches were out with COVID, had nothing to do with the allegations. Gray was cleared by UT Compliance on Saturday, per Chris Low of ESPN, and would have been available for the game if it had been a night game instead of a noon game.

You can't self-impose a bowl ban the day bowl announcements are made and expect to receive credit for it, anyway.

Here's the thing about all of this: These type of internal compliance investigations go on all the time at every school. Most of the time, they end up producing nothing or little more than a trip for coaches to a rules eduction seminar. Someone wanted to try to drag Pruitt through some of it here. I'm told by a friend in the media up there that whoever leaked the story to Wallace had tried to get other media members to report it a week or more ago. But after vetting the story, they all passed because the nature of the investigation is likely to lead to no serious issues. Wallace went with it and there's nothing wrong with that, it just made what typically would have been a non-story into another thing on the list at the end of a long season.

 

[GAVol]

Huh? They’ve been investigating for over a month and choose to suspend multiple members of our organization based on their finds. What are you talking about?

Now, I’m sure we don’t yet have a full report ready to be submitted yet but just saying most fans didn’t think it was wise to accept a bowl invitation to begin with. Just a thought

It’s not “most”, and those fans aren’t thinking it through.

 

[onevol74]

We have no earthly idea at this point what the exact allegations even are at this point. We just know that a compliance investigation got leaked.
We could be looking at anything from the Death Penalty to 2 hours of extra compliance training. Harralson and the guy he interviewed for this clickbait don’t seem to know specifics either. You’ve got no idea what the scope of the violations are or even where they are in the timeline of the investigation.

No NCAA school will receive the death penalty again.

 

[GAVol]

No NCAA school will receive the death penalty again.

I know. Just pointing out how goofy this whole notion is.

 

[Firebirdparts]

We have no earthly idea at this point what the exact allegations even are at this point. n.

The people who accepted that bowl bid do know. They weren’t concerned about it and they do know. It’s just not that exciting.

 

[Old Geezer]

I can see why we don't deserve a bowl invite, but I cant see justification to punish the team for things still under investigation - just so we can say we got out ahead of a possible nothing-burger. The whole idea seems a bit contrived and presumes we expect to be found guilty..

 

[DeerPark12]

I don’t think that’s true. Or if so...it’s at least a very insignificant amount. I remember hearing a couple of weeks ago mark snoops talking about Kentucky might well turn down an invite this year. Hell Brian Kelly talking about skipping the damn playoffs due to all the covid stuff. And even if there was the threat of the sec levying a fine for a tram that declines an invite...that certainly wouldn’t matter if you were doing that as a imposed sanctions. So sorry...your argument fails. Lol

If Tennessee had passed on accepting a bowl bid, they would have forfeited their share of the SEC Bowl distribution, which comes to about $8 million. So they would not have technically been "fined," but they would have lost our on $8 million when the SEC cuts the big check in May at the spring meetings. After dropping out due to Covid, they still get that money.

In a normal year, schools that do not qualify for a bowl still get a share. Schools on self-imposed or NCAA-imposed bowl bans do not. Schools that are eligible for bowl games but decline do not receive a share, unless there are extenuating circumstances, typically only granted for a coaching change.

 

[chattavol420]

No, they weren't. The coaches were out with COVID, had nothing to do with the allegations. Gray was cleared by UT Compliance on Saturday, per Chris Low of ESPN, and would have been available for the game if it had been a night game instead of a noon game.

You can't self-impose a bowl ban the day bowl announcements are made and expect to receive credit for it, anyway.

Here's the thing about all of this: These type of internal compliance investigations go on all the time at every school. Most of the time, they end up producing nothing or little more than a trip for coaches to a rules eduction seminar. Someone wanted to try to drag Pruitt through some of it here. I'm told by a friend in the media up there that whoever leaked the story to Wallace had tried to get other media members to report it a week or more ago. But after vetting the story, they all passed because the nature of the investigation is likely to lead to no serious issues. Wallace went with it and there's nothing wrong with that, it just made what typically would have been a non-story into another thing on the list at the end of a long season.

Maybe you’re right and it’s just a smear campaign by someone that would like to see Pruitt hit the road (and by the way I wish I knew who so I could personally thank them)...but just saying this the article linked has direct quotes by an ncaa infractions committee member (who without a doubt knows more about these situations than any of us) stating that he would've expected Tennessee to decline the invitation.

 

[DeerPark12]

Maybe you’re right and it’s just a smear campaign by someone that would like to see Pruitt hit the road (and by the way I wish I knew who so I could personally thank them)...but just saying this the article linked has direct quotes by an ncaa infractions committee member (who without a doubt knows more about these situations than any of us) stating that he would've expected Tennessee to decline the invitation.

That member doesn't know anything about the case because nothing about it has been provided to the NCAA at this point. It's very likely in this case that UT doesn't end up submitting anything to them for review. So he's talking out of his ass to suggest what Tennessee should have done in a case he knows nothing about. Considering Dan Harralson wrote the piece, I'm not surprised.

 

[SpookyAction]

No NCAA school will receive the death penalty again.

Agreed, but a good neutering can still happen. What happened to USC and Ole Miss is about as heavy as it might be going forward.

I think infractions should have more teeth against the individuals responsible. The price Hugh Freeze paid for his crapshow at Oxford is nothing compared to what Ole Miss as an institution and fanbase has endured.

It is why I have no patience for the Hugh Freeze groupies on the forum. It is some posters and members whom I respect, but I just think they are being naive and simplistic to what he has done. He has not paid for what he did to Ole Miss and the fans, nor rehabbed in any real way.

 

[PNW Huskie]

I'm told by a friend in the media up there that whoever leaked the story to Wallace had tried to get other media members to report it a week or more ago. But after vetting the story, they all passed because the nature of the investigation is likely to lead to no serious issues.

Sorry but this isn’t believable. In today’s environment of instant news, one upsmanship and click bait some news source would have absolutely run with this story to be the first or exclusive or the only site reporting it. Vetting or not there is no way a story this explosive floats for a couple weeks without someone reporting it. Just not the way “news” works these days.

 

[Chitlin&theDude]

He's a terrible AD. He doesn't think ahead. He simply reacts to (but mainly ignores) present day circumstances. Any intelligent AD would have known weeks ago Pruitt was in trouble and began to plan for a replacement. He simply hoped things would work out. He's still hoping things will work out next year. He's a terrible AD

 

[GAVol]

but just saying this the article linked has direct quotes by an ncaa infractions committee member (who without a doubt knows more about these situations than any of us) stating that he would've expected Tennessee to decline the invitation.

The quotes are nothing though. It’s a generic puff piece with absolutely no insight despite one of Dan’s patented clickbait headlines that makes you think you’re going to actually find out something new.

 

[GAVol]

Sorry but this isn’t believable. In today’s environment of instant news, one upsmanship and click bait some news source would have absolutely run with this story to be the first or exclusive or the only site reporting it. Vetting or not there is no way a story this explosive floats for a couple weeks without someone reporting it. Just not the way “news” works these days.

How “explosive” is this though? I don’t pretend to know, but internal compliance reviews/investigations aren’t exactly rare.