Another interesting 9/11 video I ask people watch

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I've seen that one. It is kind of interesting. Maybe not all of it is accurate, but some of the stuff they mention makes you think about some things.
 
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What, did these guys get tired of sitting in the desert outside Roswell, N.M. waiting for the mother ship? It amazes me that there are people out there who hate the president so much that they believe our government intentionally caused 9-11. It's just like the nutty right-wingers who were convinced that Clinton was having people killed to keep them from airing his dirty laundry ala Vince Foster.
 
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Yeah, it's all crazy circumstancial evidence that vaguely points towards a government conspiracy. Yeah, what happened at the Pentagon was very strange. It's just all, interesting, questionalbe stuff that will never ever be more than what it is. Nobody has the access or ability to dig any of that stuff up.
 
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(milohimself @ Mar 27 said:
Nobody has the access or ability to dig any of that stuff up.
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Exactly. That's because there is nothing to "dig up". If you have to blame soemone for 9-11 then blame the people who were flying the planes and the people who financed and supported their effort.
 
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(VolunteerHillbilly @ Mar 27 said:
Exactly. That's because there is nothing to "dig up". If you have to blame soemone for 9-11 then blame the people who were flying the planes and the people who financed and supported their effort.
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And just for the record, they weren't from Iraq. The amount of people who still think that Saddam attacked us amazes me.
 
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(Orangewhiteblood @ Mar 27 said:
And just for the record, they weren't from Iraq. The amount of people who still think that Saddam attacked us amazes me.
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True. The Iraq situation was a completely separate entity. Maybe 9/11 forced a reassessment of how Iraq was being handled for the past 8 years, with empty threats... but it was separate.

On Iraq the point is, empty threats are worthless... you have to back up what you say you are going to do.

On the 9/11 stuff... well made propaganda... but there are an awful lot of holes in the story.
 
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(rwemyss @ Mar 27 said:
True. The Iraq situation was a completely separate entity. Maybe 9/11 forced a reassessment of how Iraq was being handled for the past 8 years, with empty threats... but it was separate.
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I really hesitate to say this because I know it could fluster some, but Bush is responsible for all these people thinking Iraq attacked us. When he was making his case for war, he tried to link Saddam to 9/11 and now he is swearing up and down that he didn't do such a thing.

That's the thing that bothers me about Bush, he always says something and then turns around and says that he didn't. Do all politicians lie? Yes, they all probably do. But Bush and company seem to do it more than anybody I can remember and we as a public just sit back and take it while a lot of the public sits back and believes it.

I'm not saying that Saddam shouldn't have been removed from power, I just think that this was a terrible time to do such a thing and using a tragedy like 9/11 as a basis for doing it was a pretty shady thing to do in my opinion.

Ok, fire away... :ninja: :mf_surrender:
 
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That's the thing OWB... I thought it was disgusting all the chances that had been given to the Iraqi gov't (aka Hussein). He should have been removed YEARS before all this occurred... it does seem that 9/11 was used as an excuse for the final decision to take care of it, but that doesn't change the fact that it WAS justified by other facts, it seems it was just easier to say it was 9/11. :shrug:
 
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(Orangewhiteblood @ Mar 27 said:
And just for the record, they weren't from Iraq. The amount of people who still think that Saddam attacked us amazes me.
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Oh, I know! It's absolutely incredible.
 
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The perception is clearly wrong, but if you'll go back and look I don't think you'll ever see any comments from the administration linking Saddam to 9/11 . . .

I think Rwemyss has it right. It wasn't that we went after Saddam in retaliation for 9/11. We went after Saddam to avoid another 9/11. The whole world was convinced that Iraq had WMDs (and I think there's more to that story). There was a choice that had to made whether to wait and see what he did with them or intervene beforehand.



 
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(GAVol @ Mar 27 said:
The perception is clearly wrong, but if you'll go back and look I don't think you'll ever see any comments from the administration linking Saddam to 9/11 . . .

I think Rwemyss has it right. It wasn't that we went after Saddam in retaliation for 9/11. We went after Saddam to avoid another 9/11. The whole world was convinced that Iraq had WMDs (and I think there's more to that story). There was a choice that had to made whether to wait and see what he did with them or intervene beforehand.
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Where were they all when we went to war in Iraq?
 
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(GAVol @ Mar 27 said:
The perception is clearly wrong, but if you'll go back and look I don't think you'll ever see any comments from the administration linking Saddam to 9/11 . . .
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The other day in Ohio: GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: "I don’t think we ever said—at least I know I didn’t say there was a direct connection between September the 11th and, and, and, and Saddam Hussein."

State of the Union 3 years ago:
BUSH: "Before September the 11th, many in the world believed that Saddam Hussein could be contained.

Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of al Qaeda."





 
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(tidwell @ Mar 27 said:
Where were they all when we went to war in Iraq?
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That's the million dollar question. My point though is that this was not just something that a group of people made up as an excuse to go to war. While some didn't support the timing, almost everybody acknowledged that the evidence said they were there.

The question for me has always been, if they weren't there, why didn't Saddam just let the UN inspectors come in and verify it? Saddam even had people within his own governement that fully believed they were there. I still don't think we know the whole story. We know for a fact that they existed, it's just a question of where they ended up.
 
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(Orangewhiteblood @ Mar 27 said:
The other day in Ohio: GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: "I don’t think we ever said—at least I know I didn’t say there was a direct connection between September the 11th and, and, and, and Saddam Hussein."
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:eek:lol:
 
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(Orangewhiteblood @ Mar 27 said:
Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of al Qaeda."
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...and there's proof that this actually occurred. That's a ways away from actually saying that Hussein was actively involved in 9/11.

Look . . . I understand what you are trying to say, but don't you think that people who have paid any attention whatsoever know that Saddam was not involved and it's mainly the uninformed that are too stupid to think for themselves that believe otherwise?
 
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(GAVol @ Mar 27 said:
The question for me has always been, if they weren't there, why didn't Saddam just let the UN inspectors come in and verify it? Saddam even had people within his own governement that fully believed they were there. I still don't think we know the whole story. We know for a fact that they existed, it's just a question of where they ended up.
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EXACTLY!!! If others are allowed their conspiracy theory about our government being behind 9/11, why can't I believe that much of the nuclear equipment and biological warfare agents were moved to Syria? Not to mention the strange connections the French, Germans, and Russians had with the Hussein government... :dunno:
 
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...and there's proof that this actually occurred. That's a ways away from actually saying that Hussein was actively involved in 9/11.
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What was that proof? I don't remember it. Seems to me if there was any hard proof, Bush wouldn't be denying linking Saddam to 9/11. I do seem to remember someone saying that Saddam didn't care much for Bin Laden or his cause and also didn't allow Al Queda to perform training and other things in Iraq.

Look . . . I understand what you are trying to say, but don't you think that people who have paid any attention whatsoever know that Saddam was not involved and it's mainly the uninformed that are too stupid to think for themselves that believe otherwise?
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That's the whole problem. There are way too many uninformed people in this country. I have even talked to a couple of soldiers who believe that Saddam was responsible for it all.



 
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But anyway, what's done is done and we're stuck with Iraq for better or for worse.
 
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it all reminds me of the days when we were tryin to exit the Vietnam conflict with some semblance of honor. I think a plan with a set in concrete date should be set into place for exiting Iraq. Its past time to be outta there....we did what we set out to do, oust Hussien. I think we need to concentrate our resources now on seeking out terrorists and eliminating them. Let Iraq clean themselves up.
 
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(dan4vols @ Mar 27 said:
it all reminds me of the days when we were tryin to exit the Vietnam conflict with some semblance of honor. I think a plan with a set in concrete date should be set into place for exiting Iraq. Its past time to be outta there....we did what we set out to do, oust Hussien. I think we need to concentrate our resources now on seeking out terrorists and eliminating them. Let Iraq clean themselves up.
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Interesting take Dan... and while I generally agree, don't you think it would look like we made a mess and refuse to help patch it? I mean, I think we've done all we can to help the Iraqis get things put back together, but there are a lot of people out there that won't see it that way.

My favorite will be the people that have been screaming for us to leave Iraq will be the ones that will also acuse us of tucking tail and leaving before the Iraqis were ready... those people you just can't please.
 
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agreed....we've done a heck of a lot more for Iraq than they'd do for us, or any nation for that matter. Heck our allies only join up with us when its convienient and we foot the $bill. We basically founded the United Nations and the US gets zero respect from them. I say pull all american armed forces inside our borders, all over the world....communism is basically dormant if not dead from economics...deploy them to shut down illegal immigration and drug trafficing....a side benefit would be the added manpower and resorces to detect terrorists attempts to smuggle in manpower and equipment. Lets take care of our own for awhile and see how that goes...let the rest of the world take care of themselves. Yes I know we had to go after Saddam because of the threat he posed...that type is with us always, if not him it will be someone else. Our naval and air power linked up with a division of quick strike footsoldiers would be able to deal with almost any scenario of that type. Let just bring ours home and take care of our own .
 
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Iraq is a difficult situation. I for one, would also like to see the troops come home, but it's just not going to happen for a long long time. We're building huge bases over there right now that even have Burger Kings and other American comforts.

The difficult thing about it is, if we leave now and the new government isn't strong, we're leaving a gateway open for someone like Saddam or worse than Saddam to turn around and restore Iraq back to the way it was and then we'd be back at square one.

It's hard to just cut you losses and run when so many troops have lost their lives combined with all the money that we've spent. It would be hard to say that it was for nothing. On the other hand, we don't want to lose anymore soldiers and billions and dollars.

Not to mention the whole Iran thing.....

It's just a huge mess that doesn't have any clear cut plan and probably never will (at least that what it feels like to me)....and to think, it was supposed to be a "mission accomplished" 3 years ago.......yeah.
 
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