And people thought Fulmer had no control....

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g8terh8ter_eric

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Look at the front page of SI College Football.

SI.com - NCAA Football

Nebraska has an OL accused of Sexual Assault.

A Trojan recruit arrested in armed robbery.

Indiana's starting QB suspended.

I guess people shouldn't be so quick to point the finger at us having problems when it's clear that other's have the same issues as well. Some people it seems need to expand their views of college football past UT Football and Knoxville to understand that problems happen everywhere. Our problems are NOTHING compared to armed robbery and Sexual Assault.
 
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Look at the front page of SI College Football.

SI.com - NCAA Football

Nebraska has an OL accused of Sexual Assault.

A Trojan recruit arrested in armed robbery.

Indiana's starting QB suspended.

I guess people shouldn't be so quick to point the finger at us having problems when it's clear that other's have the same issues as well. Some people it seems need to expand their views of college football past UT Football and Knoxville to understand that problems happen everywhere. Our problems are NOTHING compared to armed robbery and Sexual Assault.
Everyone's doing it, so it's OK. Nice logic.
 
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Look at the front page of SI College Football.

SI.com - NCAA Football

Nebraska has an OL accused of Sexual Assault.

A Trojan recruit arrested in armed robbery.

Indiana's starting QB suspended.

I guess people shouldn't be so quick to point the finger at us having problems when it's clear that other's have the same issues as well. Some people it seems need to expand their views of college football past UT Football and Knoxville to understand that problems happen everywhere. Our problems are NOTHING compared to armed robbery and Sexual Assault.


hope adams reads this
 
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Putting words into peoples posts and drawing your own imbecilic interpretation...

Hatevol = Troll (Internet) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Eerily similar.


Not really. Everyone knows Im no negavol at all. But if you put this title out there then it invites one to look at our own program. I am 100% VOL and am a fan of our coach. But I think CPF would be the 1st to tell you this crap with our football program has got to stop. Just because other programs have issues that in no way makes our mess ups any less.
 
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Not really. Everyone knows Im no negavol at all. But if you put this title out there then it invites one to look at our own program. I am 100% VOL and am a fan of our coach. But I think CPF would be the 1st to tell you this crap with our football program has got to stop. Just because other programs have issues that in no way makes our mess ups any less.

I agree with that statement, but the problem is that more than a few can't get past the fact there are more football teams that ours. Especially those who think a new coach would cause the problems to go away.
 
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Putting words into peoples posts and drawing your own imbecilic interpretation...

Hatevol = Troll (Internet) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Eerily similar.

He's allowed to draw his own conclusions like everyone else on the board, no matter how right or wrong they may be. While I don't agree with the assessment he made, I do respect his opinion. He's offered a HELLUVA lot more to this board than you ever have.
 
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Constantly posting intellectually vacuous garbage, usually punctuated with "haha."=NationofVols entire schtick. haha.


I love it when you retaliate with adolescent posts every time someone disagrees with you or calls you out. Oh hate, you're such an internet wizard....crackerjack even. "haha"
 
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I agree with that statement, but the problem is that more than a few can't get past the fact there are more football teams that ours. Especially those who think a new coach would cause the problems to go away.

The fact is that there are some Vol fans who do not like our coach and never will. No matter what you or I or anyone else posts. They just don't like him and there is little short of him leaving that will change that. As proof look at how many posted before the season that anything short of a trip to the SEC title game and he should be fired. Well UT made it and many of those are still saying he should go. All you are doing is wasting your posts. It's kind of like trying to teach a pig to sing. All you will do is waste your time and annoy the pig.
 
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Phil's track record in these matters sucks. He also plays favorites. Other than that he's a swell guy.
 
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He's allowed to draw his own conclusions like everyone else on the board, no matter how right or wrong they may be. While I don't agree with the assessment he made, I do respect his opinion. He's offered a HELLUVA lot more to this board than you ever have.


Your point? He didn't offer his opinion, he offered his criticism by drawing his own interpretation of what you were trying to point out. He insinuated, like he does with everyone, that he knows what you're trying to say better than you do, thus making you far inferior to him. And you eat it up with a spoon when someone actually tries to defend you. lol

Good job.
 
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Your point? He didn't offer his opinion, he offered his criticism by drawing his own interpretation of what you were trying to point out. He insinuated, like he does with everyone, that he knows what you're trying to say better than you do, thus making you far inferior to him. And you eat it up with a spoon when someone actually tries to defend you. lol

Good job.

Where did he say he knew what I was trying to say better than I?? He just offered his input and while I disagree with what he said he was right in the fact that it isn't OK no matter who the coach or team is. You need to learn to understand what people are saying beyond the words they post on this board.
 
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Phil's track record in these matters sucks.
Agree and disagree. He was very, very poor prior to 2005 but has been very consistent within the policy since as best I can tell. I've kept track to the best of my ability. When guys have said things like you just did, I've challenged them. The only specific example is Colquitt that they'll name.
He also plays favorites.
Again, besides Colquitt who do you have in mind? I agree that he should have been gone but can give a decent rationale for what they did.

First, it is the first time that's been made public that he's been in trouble in about 4 years. IOW's, he kept his nose clean and maybe MH and CPF think that earned him just a little leniency. Davis on the other hand struck out within two years of fairly persistent/frequent bad behavior. Coker persisted in getting into trouble.

If the rumor was correct about the reason for Wardlow's dismissal then it was justified by one incident.

Second, maybe they thought that saving a carrot of 7 games could maybe save the guy's life by letting them force him into counselling? Often coaches are accused of using players without caring for them. If you had the power, how far would you go to save the kid's life?

Again, I think he should have been booted for the sake of other kids that needed a clear message... but I don't think it was completely and totally out of line either considering the 4 years of good behavior.
Other than that he's a swell guy.
I know you are just being a smart aleck but I'll make a serious point using your comment.

It really doesn't matter whether he's a swell guy or not concerning the topic you addressed. What does matter is that he acts within the guidelines of the policy passed by the University and the guidance of Mike Hamilton.

I don't know if you've ever managed people or been responsible for enforcing a written conduct policy- I have. If your policy says that someone gets 4 failed drug tests then to limit them to 2 or give them 5 without some other contributing factors is an invitation for a lawsuit. It also isn't fair.

There is latitude within the policy... for instance when the time between a guy's 3rd strike and his 4th strike is 4 years but I sincerely doubt that it is nearly as much as many people imagine.

By Hamilton's own words, HE approves every punishment. For all you or I know, it was MH or some booster with MH's ear that got Colquitt another chance and not CPF. The typical thing we've seen since 2005 is that they've stayed strictly within narrow limits when applying the policy.

I personally don't think that Fulmer's say in discipline matters is nearly as potent as it once was.
 
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Agree and disagree. He was very, very poor prior to 2005 but has been very consistent within the policy since as best I can tell. I've kept track to the best of my ability. When guys have said things like you just did, I've challenged them. The only specific example is Colquitt that they'll name. Again, besides Colquitt who do you have in mind? I agree that he should have been gone but can give a decent rationale for what they did.

First, it is the first time that's been made public that he's been in trouble in about 4 years. IOW's, he kept his nose clean and maybe MH and CPF think that earned him just a little leniency. Davis on the other hand struck out within two years of fairly persistent/frequent bad behavior. Coker persisted in getting into trouble.

If the rumor was correct about the reason for Wardlow's dismissal then it was justified by one incident.

Second, maybe they thought that saving a carrot of 7 games could maybe save the guy's life by letting them force him into counselling? Often coaches are accused of using players without caring for them. If you had the power, how far would you go to save the kid's life?

Again, I think he should have been booted for the sake of other kids that needed a clear message... but I don't think it was completely and totally out of line either considering the 4 years of good behavior.
I know you are just being a smart aleck but I'll make a serious point using your comment.

It really doesn't matter whether he's a swell guy or not concerning the topic you addressed. What does matter is that he acts within the guidelines of the policy passed by the University and the guidance of Mike Hamilton.

I don't know if you've ever managed people or been responsible for enforcing a written conduct policy- I have. If your policy says that someone gets 4 failed drug tests then to limit them to 2 or give them 5 without some other contributing factors is an invitation for a lawsuit. It also isn't fair.

There is latitude within the policy... for instance when the time between a guy's 3rd strike and his 4th strike is 4 years but I sincerely doubt that it is nearly as much as many people imagine.

By Hamilton's own words, HE approves every punishment. For all you or I know, it was MH or some booster with MH's ear that got Colquitt another chance and not CPF. The typical thing we've seen since 2005 is that they've stayed strictly within narrow limits when applying the policy.

I personally don't think that Fulmer's say in discipline matters is nearly as potent as it once was.
Lamarcus coker got more chances than a non starter would have. One james banks also comes to mind.
 
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Lamarcus coker got more chances than a non starter would have. One james banks also comes to mind.

Coker was not a starter and James Banks was, so I'm not really sure where you are going with that comparison.
 
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Look at the front page of SI College Football.

SI.com - NCAA Football

Nebraska has an OL accused of Sexual Assault.

A Trojan recruit arrested in armed robbery.

Indiana's starting QB suspended.

I guess people shouldn't be so quick to point the finger at us having problems when it's clear that other's have the same issues as well. Some people it seems need to expand their views of college football past UT Football and Knoxville to understand that problems happen everywhere. Our problems are NOTHING compared to armed robbery and Sexual Assault.

The "everybody else is doing it" argument was weak in 3rd grade and it is weak now.
 
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The "everybody else is doing it" argument was weak in 3rd grade and it is weak now.

Like I said, it's not about everyone's doing it, it's that it happens to everyone else as well. There' a crowd around here though that doesn't see the everywhere else and seems to think the sky is falling on Fulmer and he can't control the players.
 

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