All Vol fans agree with Spurrier?

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I do...

You cancel it altogether or play it whenever you want, but LSU-Florida shouldn't have any impact on the East or West division title race, according to the Head Ball Coach.

"Your division champ should be decided on division games," Spurrier said in 2012. "Last year, it wasn't fair for Tennessee and Florida. They both played LSU and Alabama. Us and Georgia didn't. So, us or Georgia almost had to win the division simply because of the schedule.”

Spurrier knows first-hand how much cross-divisional games can affect one's season.

His 2011 South Carolina team went 5-0 against East teams, but didn't win the division after suffering losses to Auburn and Arkansas.

Spurrier's lone East title at South Carolina came in 2010 when the Gamecocks went 5-3 in conference play and that also included two losses to West opponents.

If Tennessee finishes 6-2 in the SEC this season and both losses come to West competition (Texas A&M and Alabama), the Vols should be crowned East champions because of their record against divisional opponents. But that's not how the league's bylaws are written, much to the chagrin of Steve Spurrier and likely Butch Jones.
 
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He's right about only counting division games - otherwise why even bother with divisions except to qualify a couple of teams for a playoff. All teams in a division play each other, so the winner is as representative as you can get for the sample size. Who knows what you get cross division - except it's almost a certainty that TN plays the top two west teams every year, so I'll own up to a little bias in that respect. We don't determine conference champions by including cross conference games, so why deviate for divisions - at least be consistent.
 
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Spurrier is right about that being the fairest way. But it will never be completely fair because people have injuries and play different teams at different times of the season.

If we go to 9 conference games, the schedules would become more equal. They won't be perfect because they can never be. At the end of the day, football is about entertainment so they should all count IMO. Would gladly watch us play LSU or Ole Miss over Ohio or T Tech
 
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The rule is fine up until you get in a situation where a team does not play all of their games.

If you dont play all 8 then you cant win.

Otherwise any team who wanted to go to atlanta..just win your first SEC game, and then cancel the rest.
 
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secking said:
I do...

You cancel it altogether or play it whenever you want, but LSU-Florida shouldn't have any impact on the East or West division title race, according to the Head Ball Coach.

"Your division champ should be decided on division games," Spurrier said in 2012. "Last year, it wasn't fair for Tennessee and Florida. They both played LSU and Alabama. Us and Georgia didn't. So, us or Georgia almost had to win the division simply because of the schedule.”

Spurrier knows first-hand how much cross-divisional games can affect one's season.

His 2011 South Carolina team went 5-0 against East teams, but didn't win the division after suffering losses to Auburn and Arkansas.

Spurrier's lone East title at South Carolina came in 2010 when the Gamecocks went 5-3 in conference play and that also included two losses to West opponents.

If Tennessee finishes 6-2 in the SEC this season and both losses come to West competition (Texas A&M and Alabama), the Vols should be crowned East champions because of their record against divisional opponents. But that's not how the league's bylaws are written, much to the chagrin of Steve Spurrier and likely Butch Jones.
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Didn't know Spur said this. But totally agree. I've been preaching this for couple of weeks (most likely too much). Just don't understand having divisions, if total league record decides division champs.
 
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ImportedVoL said:
The rule is fine up until you get in a situation where a team does not play all of their games.

If you dont play all 8 then you cant win.

Otherwise any team who wanted to go to atlanta..just win your first SEC game, and then cancel the rest.
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No,no,no. Whole league record makes no sense for division champ. Only division games decide division champ.
 
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We always seem to get the alternate West team at their strongest. Mississippi State, Auburn, Arkansas and Texas A&M have all been strong when we played them.
 
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Godfatha said:
We always seem to get the alternate West team at their strongest. Mississippi State, Auburn, Arkansas and Texas A&M have all been strong when we played them.
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Everyone in recent memory has been stronger than us by default lol
 
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I would prefer all 8 SEC games have meaning.

Now, it could be that division play is the first decider; any team that goes 6-0 goes to Atlanta ... and if two teams tie at 5-1, their head-to-head results would break the tie ... but if three or more teams tie (say a round robin of 5-1 results, where Vols beat Gators beat UGa beat Vols), THEN the number of wins vs the West comes into play as the next tie-breaker.

That would be enough to keep the cross-division games meaningful, if only sometimes important.

Because at the end of the day, EVERY game is important if you're also trying to get into the Playoffs.

Go Vols!
 
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Disagree...all SEC games count. Dont like it? Win your games.

Florida and LSU should forfeit that game if they dont play it. Meaning if Tennessee is behind Florida with 2 losses, Vols go to Atlanta.
 
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solution: if you lose to teams in the other division, do not count those games. If you win the games, they count!
 
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SayNoToJorts said:
Spurrier is right about that being the fairest way. But it will never be completely fair because people have injuries and play different teams at different times of the season.

If we go to 9 conference games, the schedules would become more equal. They won't be perfect because they can never be. At the end of the day, football is about entertainment so they should all count IMO. Would gladly watch us play LSU or Ole Miss over Ohio or T Tech
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Play all 9 and drop the divisions and the SEC Championship game, no need for them.
 
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I think the conference office should stop playing favorites and make people play their schedule.

Hopefully the SEC office realizes that Florida ****ed them cause that's exactly what happened.
 
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The pressure's on Sankey to fix this. If Tennessee winds up 6-2 in the SEC and UF winds up 6-1 due to not playing LSU and the gayduhs are rewarded the SECe championship, then the SEC will be relentlessly scrutinized by every media organization out there. I don't care a whole lot for Barrett Sallee, but he certainly knows the SEC and in an interview with ESPN's College Nation today he stated that Stankey absolutely HAS to prevent such a debacle from happening. As a replacement for a very forceful and unflappable Mike Slive, he knows his status as commissioner of the most prestigious conference in cfb will amount to a hill of beans if he doesn't remedy the problem...which is to either induce those two reluctant coaches to relent and play before season's end, or else consider that un-played game a +1 situation in which that game can't count in determining a divisional champion. There can't be any jorts in Atlanta unless Florida's SEC record is at least 2 games better than UT's if they don't play LSU and, naturally, 1 game better if they do. There will not be any stanking up our conference with such petty gamesmanship.
 
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ImportedVoL said:
The rule is fine up until you get in a situation where a team does not play all of their games.

If you dont play all 8 then you cant win.

Otherwise any team who wanted to go to atlanta..just win your first SEC game, and then cancel the rest.
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underrated post!
 
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