All Time NBA Players Thread - No Jordan vs. Lebron Debate Allowed

#751
#751
zjcvols said:
I remember when it was clear the Lakers weren't going to make the playoffs the first season after the Shaq trade, Kobe packed it up to get his knee healed. I know he was also the first athlete publicly to get stem cell therapy in Germany, I can't remember if that was 2005 or not though.
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#752
#752
zjcvols said:
I remember when it was clear the Lakers weren't going to make the playoffs the first season after the Shaq trade, Kobe packed it up to get his knee healed. I know he was also the first athlete publicly to get stem cell therapy in Germany, I can't remember if that was 2005 or not though.
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Oh yeah, i remember now
 
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#753
n_huffhines said:
I don't remember Kobe's knee problems in 2005. I remember the ACL later and then the Acchiles.

I agree with Grover's philosophy, but most NBA players were not weight training in the 80's and even the early 90's, and they weren't having soft tissue injuries at the rate we are today. It's probably that load bearing benefit of weight training is similar to the benefit of playing other sports.
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I don’t remember where I saw the video, but Grover said Kobe had the knees of a 70 year-old woman in 2005. They worked extensively during the offseason on the eccentric phase of weight-lifting only to balance out his joint issues. Basically, people would lift the weight up for him on the leg press, and then Kobe would lower the weight very slowly all by himself. No pushing the weight by Kobe, only slowly lowering it. And it healed him.
 
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KoachKrab127 said:
I don’t remember where I saw the video, but Grover said Kobe had the knees of a 70 year-old woman in 2005. They worked extensively during the offseason on the eccentric phase of weight-lifting only to balance out his joint issues. Basically, people would lift the weight up for him on the leg press, and then Kobe would lower the weight very slowly all by himself. No pushing the weight by Kobe, only slowly lowering it. And it healed him.
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Curry had bad legs and feet. He was a huge injury concern in his early years. He clearly did weight training and got more durable
 
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Bailey wasn't just a bench player, he was first man off the bench and finished top 2 in 6th man of the year voting twice
 
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#761
not sure if true but I just read that Wes Unseld used to do a drill where hed throw the ball off the backboard, catch it and while still in the air , throw the ball off the opposing backboard
 
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#764
n_huffhines said:
2 for what? Playing hoops? Thurl Bailey was a bench player, lol. More Utah famous than the other 2 tho
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Thurl Bailey did come off the bench, but he played starter minutes, like 32-34 mpg. He was similar to John Havlicek early in Havlicek’s career.

Bailey played great in the playoffs against the Lakers in 1988, when the Jazz pushed LA to the limit. The Jazz lead that series 2-1, and pushed the Lakers to 7 games. It was very similar to the way the ‘92 Knicks surprised the Bulls.
 
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KoachKrab127 said:
Thurl Bailey did come off the bench, but he played starter minutes, like 32-34 mpg. He was similar to John Havlicek early in Havlicek’s career.

Bailey played great in the playoffs against the Lakers in 1988, when the Jazz pushed LA to the limit. The Jazz lead that series 2-1, and pushed the Lakers to 7 games. It was very similar to the way the ‘92 Knicks surprised the Bulls.
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Yeah, but John Havlicek won 8 titles so coming off the bench there meant a ton. Thurl Bailey was on teams that were usually a 1st rd exit, and only got to 2nd round twice, I think.

Honestly, the biggest thing is that he couldn't rebound and his TS% wasn't good.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Yeah, but John Havlicek won 8 titles so coming off the bench there meant a ton. Thurl Bailey was on teams that were usually a 1st rd exit, and only got to 2nd round twice, I think.

Honestly, the biggest thing is that he couldn't rebound and his TS% wasn't good.
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n_huffhines said:
Yeah, but John Havlicek won 8 titles so coming off the bench there meant a ton. Thurl Bailey was on teams that were usually a 1st rd exit, and only got to 2nd round twice, I think.

Honestly, the biggest thing is that he couldn't rebound and his TS% wasn't good.
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I don’t think Thurl Bailey is on Havlicek’s level. I was just pointing out similar situations coming off the bench, but basically a starter. Manu is another player who did this.
 
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KoachKrab127 said:
I don’t think Thurl Bailey is on Havlicek’s level. I was just pointing out similar situations coming off the bench, but basically a starter. Manu is another player who did this.
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Yeah, and Manu won 4 titles. I know you're not saying he's as good as them, but my point is that playing that role on mediocre teams isn't saying a whole lot. The fact that Thurl Bailey can make an all-time top 15 team for the franchise is not a great reality for the franchise.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Yeah, and Manu won 4 titles. I know you're not saying he's as good as them, but my point is that playing that role on mediocre teams isn't saying a whole lot. The fact that Thurl Bailey can make an all-time top 15 team for the franchise is not a great reality for the franchise.
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throw a couple old Stars players in there to supplement
 
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n_huffhines said:
Yeah, and Manu won 4 titles. I know you're not saying he's as good as them, but my point is that playing that role on mediocre teams isn't saying a whole lot. The fact that Thurl Bailey can make an all-time top 15 team for the franchise is not a great reality for the franchise.
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I think you’re putting way too much stock into winning titles for these role players. I believe if you put Manu on the late 80s Jazz and Bailey on the 2000s Spurs, each team wins the same amount of titles. It’s the superstars and the coaches who won those titles, not the 6th men we’re talking about.

All I was talking about was how these players had similar minute patterns on their teams. That’s all I was really interested in. I’m not sure why we’re talking about how many titles Manu won when he played his entire career with a top 10 all-time player and a top 5 all-time coach, while Bailey did not.
 
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KoachKrab127 said:
I think you’re putting way too much stock into winning titles for these role players. I believe if you put Manu on the late 80s Jazz and Bailey on the 2000s Spurs, each team wins the same amount of titles. It’s the superstars and the coaches who won those titles, not the 6th men we’re talking about.

All I was talking about was how these players had similar minute patterns on their teams. That’s all I was really interested in. I’m not sure why we’re talking about how many titles Manu won when he played his entire career with a top 10 all-time player and a top 5 all-time coach, while Bailey did not.
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Someone hasn’t looked up Manu’s 2005 NBA Finals stats
 
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KoachKrab127 said:
I think you’re putting way too much stock into winning titles for these role players. I believe if you put Manu on the late 80s Jazz and Bailey on the 2000s Spurs, each team wins the same amount of titles. It’s the superstars and the coaches who won those titles, not the 6th men we’re talking about.

All I was talking about was how these players had similar minute patterns on their teams. That’s all I was really interested in. I’m not sure why we’re talking about how many titles Manu won when he played his entire career with a top 10 all-time player and a top 5 all-time coach, while Bailey did not.
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Thurl Bailey was just a good 6th man. Manu Ginobili kinda changed the league. His dribble drive stuff and layup package were a revelation.

He wasn't a legit 6th man. He was legitimately the 2nd or 3rd best player on the team. Phil Jackson and Popovich won a bunch of titles in part because they figured out offsetting a 3rd star's minutes was smart. He was the 3rd star because he could make something out of nothing on every possession, without TD or TP on the floor.

He is a legit hall of famer, and most likely would be had he been drafted by the Jazz, or whomever. He doesn't just have the titles, he has Olympic gold.

I bet Jokic would trade his NBA title for Olympic gold.
 
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