Alcoa coach Gary Rankin best high school coach in the state IMO

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#26
The Dude said:
Basically TN has 3 classes (A, AA, AAA), but for the football playoffs, they are split into six (A: 1A & 2A; AA: 3A & 4A; AAA: 5A & 6A).

D1 and D2 are for private schools that allow students who receive financial aid to play sports. Private schools like Lipscomb and Knoxville Catholic, for example, are private schools yet play on the public side. The downside for those schools is that TSSAA uses a very unfair (IMO) multiplier for privates in the public league, 1.7. Catholic has like 600 kids yet will be grouped with public schools with enrollments ranging from 1500-2000. The high multiplier (again, IMO) is a consequence of Brentwood Academy's long standing issues with TSSAA. BA is a small private school that recruits Nashville so hard they are practically a Junior College. They previously competed in the highest class (before the public/private split) and won state every year in football. TSSAA took exception to all of this and split them up. They are going to make it an uphill battle for any private school that wants to compete in the public league, even if those schools don't allow student athletes getting assistance to play athletics.

You can downplay it off all you want, but if its recruiting, its recruiting. There's no reason a public school should be allowed to have a handful of players who don't even live in the county to (supposedly) pay a tuition and play in the public league under the current rules.
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Well, where I went to school, our region has a city school with open enrollment, and a bunch of county schools who can only bring in students that live inside the district. It's just the way it is, no use complaining about it, unless you can actually do something to fix it.
 
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OHvol40 said:
I don't know a whole lot about TN HS football, but I know that in Ohio we have the same "recruiting" issues with the private catholic schools. Public schools have tried to combat the unfair advantage by having open enrollment but most of the time it is little help.
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Oddly enough, none of the public school proponents have been able to name one single kid who has been recruited away from a public school to a private one.

But dang, I could sure name an awful lot that go the other way. I can start with the nucleus of Brookhaven's 2004 state championship team, and then I can name every single "incoming" class that Glenville has managed to piece together over the last six years. Every year, 8-15 kids come to Glenville from St. Ed's, University School, Benedictine, Mentor Lake Catholic, etc. Are they really going for the education?

I know that in Ohio wrestling, there are 3 classes (D1, D2, D3) with D1 being the biggest. Each division has a catholic school that has at least a 10 year state championship streak. I wrestled a kid from the catholic school in my division (D3) and he was a senior who happened to move to that school for his senior year after winning a state title in Nebraska. (Ohio is a wrestling meca for college recruiters). This team sent 13 kids to the state tourney and there is 14 weight classes, the problem is that thier total attendace at the school was under 100 (all 4 grades).
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At best, it goes both ways. Look at the Schlatter brothers, who left DeSales to go to St. Paris Graham (which, in spite of the name, is a public school).

The state championship streak is misleading anyway. Very few schools manage to have a kid in each weight class make it out of regionals. Look at who's managed to finish second in all of these years.

It works the same for football. Kinda pathetic for grown men and women to put together a system like this for teenage kids to compete in.
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Ohio has the best football playoff system in the country. Six divisions, about 720 schools, no multipliers, and every game counts. I'm trying to imagine how to preach the importance of hard work and confronting adversity in a world of multipliers and public/private splits, and I don't think it can be done.
 
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Ohio Vol said:
Oddly enough, none of the public school proponents have been able to name one single kid who has been recruited away from a public school to a private one.

But dang, I could sure name an awful lot that go the other way. I can start with the nucleus of Brookhaven's 2004 state championship team, and then I can name every single "incoming" class that Glenville has managed to piece together over the last six years. Every year, 8-15 kids come to Glenville from St. Ed's, University School, Benedictine, Mentor Lake Catholic, etc. Are they really going for the education?



At best, it goes both ways. Look at the Schlatter brothers, who left DeSales to go to St. Paris Graham (which, in spite of the name, is a public school).

The state championship streak is misleading anyway. Very few schools manage to have a kid in each weight class make it out of regionals. Look at who's managed to finish second in all of these years.



Ohio has the best football playoff system in the country. Six divisions, about 720 schools, no multipliers, and every game counts. I'm trying to imagine how to preach the importance of hard work and confronting adversity in a world of multipliers and public/private splits, and I don't think it can be done.
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The Shlatter family had a falling out with the coach at DeSales. Look at the Opfer family at Sandusky St. Mary's, they lived way out of town and ended up moving close to the school just for wrestling. Thier family sacraficed everything for wrestling. There has been something like 5 of them and they have broken every Ohio stat that means anything. One just breaks the previous one's records.
Now look at St. Ed's in wrestling. Nobody can say that they don't get whoever they want. It seems like every year they have 2-8 kids that are in the top 5 in the country in thier respective weight classes. They have won the state tourney for over 2 decades in a row. That is unreal. When I was a senior they sent 12 wreslters to state and the other two were alternates. And that is D1!
Now Cleveland St. Ignatious (sp?), Cinc. Moeller, Youngstown Cardnal Mooney, Glenville....... all of those teams get thier pick of area talent whether or not it is legal. Say what you will about the playoff system, it is a great system, but the culture that surrounds these schools make it VERY difficult to compete against them.
 
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OHvol40 said:
The Shlatter family had a falling out with the coach at DeSales. Look at the Opfer family at Sandusky St. Mary's, they lived way out of town and ended up moving close to the school just for wrestling. Thier family sacraficed everything for wrestling. There has been something like 5 of them and they have broken every Ohio stat that means anything. One just breaks the previous one's records.
Now look at St. Ed's in wrestling. Nobody can say that they don't get whoever they want.
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There's a huge difference between "getting whoever they want" and "recruiting". If you have a successful program, kids will want to go there on their own without any sort of coercion.

It seems like every year they have 2-8 kids that are in the top 5 in the country in thier respective weight classes. They have won the state tourney for over 2 decades in a row. That is unreal. When I was a senior they sent 12 wreslters to state and the other two were alternates. And that is D1!
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They've won D-1 every year since 1997. And during that time, runners-up in D-1 have included Perry (four times), Mayfield, Wayne, Nordonia, Garfield Heights, and Moeller (three times). St. Paris Graham has won every year for the past 8 years, but I don't see the "recruiting" accusation being made against them. Maybe because they're a public school?

How can it not go both ways? How can it be that a kid that goes to St. Ed's is "recruited", but a kid who goes to Graham is "sacrificing everything"?

Now Cleveland St. Ignatious (sp?), Cinc. Moeller, Youngstown Cardnal Mooney, Glenville....... all of those teams get thier pick of area talent whether or not it is legal. Say what you will about the playoff system, it is a great system, but the culture that surrounds these schools make it VERY difficult to compete against them.
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In football, Moeller hasn't won a state title since 1985. Glenville has never won one, Ignatius has two this decade, and before Mooney's recent three-year run, they hadn't done anything since 1987.
 
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#32
It will be hard for he and quarlls to keep winning with the reshuffling of the classes during next season.and good because they are both overrated especially maryville.
 
#33
#33
How are they over-rated?

A 74-game winning streak for one team, and how many (4 or 5?) straight championships for Alcoa? Hardly over-rated.
 
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Yeah 5 straight for Alcoa
Maryville won 4 straight and had the win streak

Overrated!

Laughable

Some people just need to be overlooked
 
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TENNESSEESLIM said:
It will be hard for he and quarlls to keep winning with the reshuffling of the classes during next season.and good because they are both overrated especially maryville.
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Maryville over rated? That is hilarious. Please explain.

They have dominated 4A
Alcoa has dominated 2A

What more do they have to do?
 
#40
#40
My Top 5 Coaches in East TN(more specifically, the Knoxville metro)

1. GQ - Maryville
2. Rankin - Alcoa
3. Buck Coatney - Knoxville Fulton
4. Scott Blade - Oak Ridge
5. Tough to decide. Prior to a week or two ago, Pemberton could have been here. But I think that Joel Helton at Knoxville Central
 
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nickknx865 said:
My Top 5 Coaches in East TN(more specifically, the Knoxville metro)

1. GQ - Maryville
2. Rankin - Alcoa
3. Buck Coatney - Knoxville Fulton
4. Scott Blade - Oak Ridge
5. Tough to decide. Prior to a week or two ago, Pemberton could have been here. But I think that Joel Helton at Knoxville Central
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I like your list. I don't much about Blade. He came from Hillsboro, right?

I think at number 5, I would put David Meske from Webb.
 
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nickknx865 said:
My Top 5 Coaches in East TN(more specifically, the Knoxville metro)

1. GQ - Maryville
2. Rankin - Alcoa
3. Buck Coatney - Knoxville Fulton
4. Scott Blade - Oak Ridge
5. Tough to decide. Prior to a week or two ago, Pemberton could have been here. But I think that Joel Helton at Knoxville Central
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I agree with your top 4. I don't think Helton deserves any mention with those names.
 
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#43
Helton has no business being up there and if Pemberton is still eligible for the list then he should certainly be up there too
 
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