Ainge Nailed It

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Not sure who else listens to their show/podcast. I do once in a while. Today to begin hour 2 they discussed CJH's comment about the team playing like it is 0-0 all the time. He pointed out that it wasn't the team that took their foot off the gas vs UF with a 17 point game. It was the coordinators' playcalling that changed. He pointed out that you can say "0-0" all you want but if the coaches go prevent... the players get that message and their intensity drops.

I hope ALL learned that lesson- players and coaches.
 
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I’ve heard Hooker was hurting pretty bad at the end is why they were conservative the last possession. It kinda supports my theory he probably took a shot of some medication after he was initially hurt. He was clearly in pain in the 2nd Qtr but managed thru and played great 3rd Qtr. Probably the medication began to wear off by late 4th Qtr.

I know many here probably think “Oh my beloved Tennessee wouldn’t do that.” Yes they all do. It’s as part of the game as taping ankles.
 
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wmcovol said:
I’ve heard Hooker was hurting pretty bad at the end is why they were conservative the last possession. It kinda supports my theory he probably took a shot of some medication after he was initially hurt. He was clearly in pain in the 2nd Qtr but managed thru and played great 3rd Qtr. Probably the medication began to wear off.

I know many here probably think “Oh my beloved Tennessee wouldn’t do that.” Yes they all do. It’s as part of the game as taping ankles.
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What medication do you think they would use?
 
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wmcovol said:
I’ve heard Hooker was hurting pretty bad at the end is why they were conservative the last possession. It kinda supports my theory he probably took a shot of some medication after he was initially hurt. He was clearly in pain in the 2nd Qtr but managed thru and played great 3rd Qtr. Probably the medication began to wear off by late 4th Qtr.

I know many here probably think “Oh my beloved Tennessee wouldn’t do that.” Yes they all do. It’s as part of the game as taping ankles.
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Could be. But the O literally needed one more play to ice the game.
 
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wmcovol said:
I’ve heard Hooker was hurting pretty bad at the end is why they were conservative the last possession. It kinda supports my theory he probably took a shot of some medication after he was initially hurt. He was clearly in pain in the 2nd Qtr but managed thru and played great 3rd Qtr. Probably the medication began to wear off by late 4th Qtr.

I know many here probably think “Oh my beloved Tennessee wouldn’t do that.” Yes they all do. It’s as part of the game as taping ankles.
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I remember back in the 90s watching games and would see a player (any team) get hurt, go to the locker room, come back out next quarter or half and play like a machine. I always assumed they medicated them.
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
What medication do you think they would use?
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Ainge talked about that too with regard to Tillman playing. He said if the injury is just something that hurts but cannot be damaged more by playing then they just "shoot you up" and let you play. Sounded like the voice of experience.

Not sure of the particular drug but obviously some kind of local pain killer.
 
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I just hope Heupel learns from it. With our explosive offense, coupled with a weak secondary, we have to keep our foot on the gas.

That said, Heupel is infinitely better at managing the game than Butch Jones. Jones would have a 2 possession lead and would still have us snapping the ball with 18 seconds on the play clock in the 4th Quarter. Heupel has made some mistakes, but he's never made any ridiculously obvious game management blunders like Butch.
 
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sjt18 said:
Could be. But the O literally needed one more play to ice the game.
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So the offense that is averaging 559 or so yards per game suddenly can’t pick up 10 yards in four downs???? Not acceptable. Somebody must have accidentally picked up one of Pruitt’s old play call sheets from the clipboard
 
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OrangeTsar said:
So the offense that is averaging 559 or so yards per game suddenly can’t pick up 10 treads in four downs???? Not acceptable. Somebody must have accidentally picked up one of Pruitt’s old play call sheets from the clipboard
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That last play was pretty odd. I have to suspect that the TE was supposed to get to the sticks before turning out. He ran flat and didn't get the yardage.
 
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At the end of the day, players on this team arent use to winning/closing out games.

I get what he's saying, but at the same time party of growing up as a program is learning how to closed out games. Coaching aggressive allows you to beat yourself, but with how we were rolling that wasn't going to happen. Still play smart, but maybe dont dial it back so much all at once.
 
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sjt18 said:
There's obviously a place for the 4 minute O and prevent D. It isn't 7 minutes left vs a UF team that's been throwing successfully all day.
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No problem with a 4 minute offense as long as you keep calling the plays that are working. They slowed it down AND went into an offensive shell at the same time. That is suicide unless you are under 90 seconds to go
 
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sjt18 said:
Ainge talked about that too with regard to Tillman playing. He said if the injury is just something that hurts but cannot be damaged more by playing then they just "shoot you up" and let you play. Sounded like the voice of experience.

Not sure of the particular drug but obviously some kind of local pain killer.
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A lot of players are guilty of this. If playing means you take a shot to kill the pain for a couple hours then they do it for the team. Not realizing that just because it doesent hurt doesent mean you aren’t doing more damage.

This doesent excuse coaches either.

I’d be willing to bet that Ainge knows more than he’ll ever go on record saying and could possibly have a lot to do with his post football choices.
 
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sjt18 said:
Not sure who else listens to their show/podcast. I do once in a while. Today to begin hour 2 they discussed CJH's comment about the team playing like it is 0-0 all the time. He pointed out that it wasn't the team that took their foot off the gas vs UF with a 17 point game. It was the coordinators' playcalling that changed. He pointed out that you can say "0-0" all you want but if the coaches go prevent... the players get that message and their intensity drops.

I hope ALL learned that lesson- players and coaches.
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Great point. Yes, the play calling went into clinched cheek mode. I’ve heard of prevent defense. That was prevent offense.
 
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sjt18 said:
Not sure who else listens to their show/podcast. I do once in a while. Today to begin hour 2 they discussed CJH's comment about the team playing like it is 0-0 all the time. He pointed out that it wasn't the team that took their foot off the gas vs UF with a 17 point game. It was the coordinators' playcalling that changed. He pointed out that you can say "0-0" all you want but if the coaches go prevent... the players get that message and their intensity drops.

I hope ALL learned that lesson- players and coaches.
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Yes me too...but, just my opinion, but think it was part of the plan (not the almost give them the game part). Outside of miracle (which almost happened), doing the math on 3 scores in closing minutes the only way they win is Vols quick 3 and outs off passes, conserving the clock and time-outs ...gets to point that if they run out of time if all executed correctly.
 
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Allvols1996 said:
Great point. Yes, the play calling went into clinched cheek mode. I’ve heard of prevent defense. That was prevent offense.
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They don't call it that but the "4 minute offense" is essentially an effort to play keep away or position for a punt.

Heupel hasn't been bad so far but my greatest frustration with Fulmer was his "play not to lose" mentality. If he had a lead, he went into a shell and tried to run the clock out vs good teams. Most good coaches have moved on from that generally but they all have a "4 minute offense".
 
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njvols said:
Yes me too...but, just my opinion, but think it was part of the plan (not the almost give them the game part). Outside of miracle (which almost happened), doing the math on 3 scores in closing minutes the only way they win is Vols quick 3 and outs off passes w/ punts conserving the clock and gets to point that if they only have time for 2 possessions.
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I think that was exactly the plan. I'm not sure anyone in this day and age is good enough to count on that plan. I am pretty certain that UT isn't with the current roster. If they had someone like Chris Rodriguez... maybe.
 
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VOLfrombama said:
any kind of mild opioid that will turn off the pain receptors

percs, Vicodin, hydro, maybe Demerol. Anything stronger might actually sedate them too much
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Not likely.. that is not going to stay in one spot lol.it would hit you systematically and they would be f’ed up ... more than likely some good old fashioned cortizone shots to the area is more likely.. maybe lidocaine, which would also not cause sedation
 
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VolInDayton said:
At the end of the day, players on this team arent use to winning/closing out games.

I get what he's saying, but at the same time party of growing up as a program is learning how to closed out games. Coaching aggressive allows you to beat yourself, but with how we were rolling that wasn't going to happen. Still play smart, but maybe dont dial it back so much all at once.
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I would agree... except UT's O makes more mistakes when they aren't being aggressive.
 
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