Aguilar eligibility update

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#276
deatojl said:
The answer is we don't know. All we do know is it went down the way it did. Everything else is nothing but speculation.
I have another question for you. Do you apply the same standards to other top programs in regard to QBs?
Ohio State
2025-Julian Sayin(Transfer)
2024-Will Howard(Transfer)
2023-Kyle McCord-One year starter who transferred when Howard came in.
Ryan Day was the QB Coach prior to becoming HC.

Alabama
2025-Ty Simpson(Recruited by Saban)
2024-Jalen Milroe(Recruited by Saban)
These are the only two starting QBs under DeBoer. Austin Mack was brought over from Washington and has ridden the bench.

Indiana
2025-Fernando Mendoza(Transfer)
2024-Kurtis Rourke(Transfer)
These are the only two starting QBs under Cignetti.

Texas
2025-Arch Manning(First year starter. Results have been at least mildly disappointing)
2024-Quinn Ewers(Transfer)
2023-Quinn Ewers(Transfer)
2022-Quinn Ewers(Transfer)
2021-Casey Thompson(Not recruited by Sarkisian)

Oregon
2025-Dante Moore(Transfer)
2024-Dillon Gabriel(Transfer)
2023-Bo Nix(Transfer)
2022-Bo Nix(Transfer)
These are the only starting QBs under Lanning

Ole Miss
2025-Austin Simmons(Injured/lost his starting job)
2025-Trinidad Chambliss(Transfer)
2024-Jaxson Dart(Transfer)
2023-Jaxson Dart(Transfer)
2022-Jaxson Dart(Transfer)
2021-Matt Corral(Not recruited by Kiffin)
2020-Matt Corral(Not recruited by Kiffin)

These are just some examples. I think the only top program who recruits and develops their HS QBs consistently is Georgia and they aren't exactly dependent on their QB for their team success.
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You are invalidating their argument. Almost everything folks complain about a school that made the playoffs has done.

Manning, assuming he remains at Texas, may be the last of QB's that actually stay at the school they signed with. I say that because it seems like a Manning thing.
 
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deatojl said:
The answer is we don't know. All we do know is it went down the way it did. Everything else is nothing but speculation.
I have another question for you. Do you apply the same standards to other top programs in regard to QBs?
Ohio State
2025-Julian Sayin(Transfer)
2024-Will Howard(Transfer)
2023-Kyle McCord-One year starter who transferred when Howard came in.
Ryan Day was the QB Coach prior to becoming HC.

Alabama
2025-Ty Simpson(Recruited by Saban)
2024-Jalen Milroe(Recruited by Saban)
These are the only two starting QBs under DeBoer. Austin Mack was brought over from Washington and has ridden the bench.

Indiana
2025-Fernando Mendoza(Transfer)
2024-Kurtis Rourke(Transfer)
These are the only two starting QBs under Cignetti.

Texas
2025-Arch Manning(First year starter. Results have been at least mildly disappointing)
2024-Quinn Ewers(Transfer)
2023-Quinn Ewers(Transfer)
2022-Quinn Ewers(Transfer)
2021-Casey Thompson(Not recruited by Sarkisian)

Oregon
2025-Dante Moore(Transfer)
2024-Dillon Gabriel(Transfer)
2023-Bo Nix(Transfer)
2022-Bo Nix(Transfer)
These are the only starting QBs under Lanning

Ole Miss
2025-Austin Simmons(Injured/lost his starting job)
2025-Trinidad Chambliss(Transfer)
2024-Jaxson Dart(Transfer)
2023-Jaxson Dart(Transfer)
2022-Jaxson Dart(Transfer)
2021-Matt Corral(Not recruited by Kiffin)
2020-Matt Corral(Not recruited by Kiffin)

These are just some examples. I think the only top program who recruits and develops their HS QBs consistently is Georgia and they aren't exactly dependent on their QB for their team success.
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I applaud your dedication to all that research. But it’s all for you to get a real short answer of I don’t give a damn about other programs.

Given the portal era, I do think we will continue to see QBs shuffling around yearly. Especially serviceable QBs from lesser programs. This is how they will make the most money. That shouldn’t take the pressure off of our staff to be developing HS recruits at QB. I’m all for our best chance of winning. If a QB is in the portal that can do that, then so be it. But we also shouldn’t find ourselves in a bad spot 6 years into a staffing era if they have to rely on HS guys they have brought in.

And also this is really just cherry picking. I don’t have the time, nor the care, but I’m sure we could find 3-5 schools that have been successful with talent they have brought in. There are likely arguments on both sides. I don’t think anyone knows the real numbers, but you listed schools that are likely far outpacing us on NIL. That being said, we likely won’t compete yearly for bringing in the top NIL QBs requesting 2 and 4 mil a year.
 
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volfan102455 said:
You are invalidating their argument. Almost everything folks complain about a school that made the playoffs has done.

Manning, assuming he remains at Texas, may be the last of QB's that actually stay at the school they signed with. I say that because it seems like a Manning thing.
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Didn’t really validate/invalidate anything. GA abd TX counter that immediately. There are likely more. I’m sure there are plenty on both sides.

Just discussing portal era QB/development or lack thereof. Most rational people call these opinions. Some who don’t agree call them “complaints”.
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
Didn’t really validate/invalidate anything. GA abd TX counter that immediately. There are likely more. I’m sure there are plenty on both sides.

Just discussing portal era QB/development or lack thereof. Most rational people call these opinions. Some who don’t agree call them “complaints”.
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Actually, TX had a transfer. Manning sat on the bench - Yeah for him and Texas. He has struggled so was that a development issue for the coach? Why wasn't he ready?? Him not being as good as folks thought? Or the fact that QB's just need time?

As for GA, they always, always, always struggle in games throughout the season. Their defense saves them given time for a QB to settle in or not. And this year - they had a lot of luck at key moments.

The landscape of college football is changing. Teams are not going to be able to stack key players like they could in the past.

In the past with the transfer rules, players tended to stay because it was harder to move- now they can move and play the next year. They, along with the coaches can figure out the player is just not a good fit quickly, agree to move on from each other. In the past, that player who didn't fit typically stayed longer, waited their turn and hoped for the best,
 
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And I would counter that in this day and age, the idea of a coach getting a player and being able to keep said player long enough to actually coach that player is changing. Moving on from players that are not a good fit is too easy for both coaches and players.

Some of you are still stuck in the Peyton Manning era of college football where a player was committed to being a VFL.
 
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volfan102455 said:
And I would counter that in this day and age, the idea of a coach getting a player and being able to keep said player long enough to actually coach that player is changing. Moving on from players that are not a good fit is too easy for both coaches and players.

Some of you are still stuck in the Peyton Manning era of college football where a player was committed to being a VFL.
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Not saying any of that is wrong. Portal era changes everything. But as I said in another post we reportedly aren’t competing at a high level when it comes to high dollar NIL schools. With that said we likely aren’t in the mix for the 3,4 mil QB portal guys year in and out. All the more reason it’s important we try and develop our recruits.

I’m in the opinion that the portal stuff greatly hurts development potential. Before this era a coach may take his lumps with a guy for a season before he turns into a great QB. Those days are likely over. It’s now to easy to run to the portal for the next guy that you think gives you the better chances. Definitely a mess. Good I’m not a coach
 
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#283
so how soon might we know something on this? portal is coming soon... we gonna have to get a qb?
 
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#285
EastTNVol6240 said:
I applaud your dedication to all that research. But it’s all for you to get a real short answer of I don’t give a damn about other programs.

Given the portal era, I do think we will continue to see QBs shuffling around yearly. Especially serviceable QBs from lesser programs. This is how they will make the most money. That shouldn’t take the pressure off of our staff to be developing HS recruits at QB. I’m all for our best chance of winning. If a QB is in the portal that can do that, then so be it. But we also shouldn’t find ourselves in a bad spot 6 years into a staffing era if they have to rely on HS guys they have brought in.

And also this is really just cherry picking. I don’t have the time, nor the care, but I’m sure we could find 3-5 schools that have been successful with talent they have brought in. There are likely arguments on both sides. I don’t think anyone knows the real numbers, but you listed schools that are likely far outpacing us on NIL. That being said, we likely won’t compete yearly for bringing in the top NIL QBs requesting 2 and 4 mil a year.
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Look, I would love to have "home grown" starting QBs. I just think it is unfair to criticize Heupel for not "developing" a HS QB recruit that has taken the starting job and dominated. There wasn't much he could do about it when he first arrived in 2021. Once Hooker took the job and exploded, there was no HS QB that was taking that job from him. Going into the 2023 season, Nico was supposed to be that guy but was a true freshman, thus Joe Milton being the starting QB. Nico took over last year, had mixed results that were at least a bit disappointing, then left us right after spring camp going into this year, which lead to Heupel needing to grab an experienced portal QB. Fortunately, Joey did a pretty great job overall. Merk was never going to be a long term solution. Maybe GMac is but he will be a RS Freshman next season.
 
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#288
deatojl said:
Look, I would love to have "home grown" starting QBs. I just think it is unfair to criticize Heupel for not "developing" a HS QB recruit that has taken the starting job and dominated. There wasn't much he could do about it when he first arrived in 2021. Once Hooker took the job and exploded, there was no HS QB that was taking that job from him. Going into the 2023 season, Nico was supposed to be that guy but was a true freshman, thus Joe Milton being the starting QB. Nico took over last year, had mixed results that were at least a bit disappointing, then left us right after spring camp going into this year, which lead to Heupel needing to grab an experienced portal QB. Fortunately, Joey did a pretty great job overall. Merk was never going to be a long term solution. Maybe GMac is but he will be a RS Freshman next season.
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I’ll give Heup credit for JA for sure. The way we got hosed late could’ve left us in a real bad spot if not for JA. Heup saw something in him other programs didn’t and it worked out. We did just as good, if not better than if Nico would’ve stayed around imo.

I would like to see it be GMac next year. With the portal days, the days of sitting and waiting are over. But I’d suspect we will be portal shipping.

Fortunately, for us as fans, getting to criticize is what we get to do, for positive or negative. I get to sit on the couch in my onesie and criticize the guy making millions. Just opinions. No more, no less.
 
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#291
luthervol said:
So you would conclude that most every team that uses a portal QB has a coaching/evaluation problem?
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When they have been there 5 years and have not had a good qb that they recruited it appears to be a problem. But with saing this I happen to believe we have good qb on our current roster, and with a good one coming in 2026. I am primarily responding to those who say we need to go to the portal for a qb. I don't think we need to go to the portal for a qb, use the money for other positions and use what we have on the roster.
 
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#292
Big Cheese Offspring said:
He didn't recruit over him. He brought two talented, veteran QBs to come in and battle. Milton more than likely looked better in practice than Hooker at that point. Hooker was given the opportunity, showed promise and it eventually clicked and took him to another level.
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You have your opinion, I have mine. And that is Hype recruited over him. No problem here we just see things differently.
 
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#293
BigOrangeTrain said:
Doesn’t matter if he recruited him. He developed him. He turned JA into a top tier SEC QB. And I am saying you don’t know wee don’t have a QB ready to play. For all you know Merk could be the starter and ball out next year.
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I actually think we have good qb on the roster. i don't want us to go to the portal for a qb for next year.
 
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NighthawkVol said:
His reputation as a QB Guru extends well before his time at UT.

He started Milton because Milton was by far the better player in practice, which IS ALL HE HAD TO GO ON. Ask Cooper Mays, who said the same thing. The fact that CJH does not have ESP to see how Hooker would turn it around (and he completely turned it around) does not indicate a lack of QB development ability on Heupel's part. Which seems rather obvious.
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Maybe a few practices with pads and live tackling would show more how a person does under pressure. I don't mean the whole practice but a few minutes to see how they do when they know they can be tackled.
 
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#295
rocytop2624 said:
He was always a project. What's bad is because of Nico they had to pay Merk 1.5 million this year and no way I would do that again.
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I don’t think they paid Merk anything close to that. I think Joey got 1.2 and he was brought in to be the starter.
 
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deatojl said:
Look, I would love to have "home grown" starting QBs. I just think it is unfair to criticize Heupel for not "developing" a HS QB recruit that has taken the starting job and dominated. There wasn't much he could do about it when he first arrived in 2021. Once Hooker took the job and exploded, there was no HS QB that was taking that job from him. Going into the 2023 season, Nico was supposed to be that guy but was a true freshman, thus Joe Milton being the starting QB. Nico took over last year, had mixed results that were at least a bit disappointing, then left us right after spring camp going into this year, which lead to Heupel needing to grab an experienced portal QB. Fortunately, Joey did a pretty great job overall. Merk was never going to be a long term solution. Maybe GMac is but he will be a RS Freshman next season.
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I think Ohio State qb is a redshirt sophomore, which Mac will be next year, and he has done pretty good.
 
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cgrish said:
I think Ohio State qb is a redshirt sophomore, which Mac will be next year, and he has done pretty good.
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If Merk leaves, we will need a portal QB either way, even if just a depth guy to come in and compete. We can't go into the season with only two scholarship QBs. If GMac is ready to take over next season, I am fine with him being the guy. If he's not, I am fine with taking a portal guy as the starter for next season. My preference would be for Joey to get an extra season and return.
 
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