A little more perspective on experience....

#51
#51
Good Posts from TOS. I also agree that we are a long way off with few options other than to give CDD some more time. I also hope that the facilities upgrade will help our recruiting.

GBO !
 
#52
#52
Vercingetorix said:
The people who have already decided that Dooley's a loser don't care. The roster is an "excuse." Nick Saban turned it all the way around in Year 2, so anyone who doesn't is a failure. And anyone who's not as good as Saban needs to be fired immediately.
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This.
 
#54
#54
g8terh8ter_eric said:
One of the posters on VQ, Levity, put together a really great post over there on the experience factor for UT. This is VERY eye opening, and should give kind of a new look into a fairly debated issue.....



This is truly a great post, and anyone who even questions where we are at this point, really needs to back off. We are in a tough spot, and this highlights it even more. Truly good research.
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What will the numbers look like next year?
 
#55
#55
Mr.Fister said:
talent has more to do with it than years of experience. everybody knows tn doesnt have much talented seniors playing but im getting tired of hearing all these excuses as to why tn gets drilled every weekend. its easy to say "just wait till next year" .
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I think what has me worried is that Dooley has finished middle of the pack in the sec in recruiting and this year looks to be the same. If its all about having the best players, we still aren't getting it done.
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#56
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tabrams said:
Age and experience are great, no doubt.........but the talent potential of each kid is even more important.......
You can have a team full of experienced players without talent, and still not be very good.......
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I agree with this. Experience is only half the story. Your players have to be talented as well. Look at Miss St. Their team is filled with upperclassmen yet they have underachieved in a huge way this year. Vandy has a lot of upperclassmen but they are still Vandy. Yes they are having a better than average year for them but are they going to be in Atlanta in December? No!

Right now I think we have good talent in certain spots but have very little elite talent. I'd say we have 2 or 3 elite (or potential to be elite) players, a few good players, and several mediocre players.

Coach Dooley's recruiting classes so far have been solid but we are going to have to start attracting a higher number of elite athletes if we are going to seriously compete for championships. If we keep recruiting like we are, we'll probably see a lot of 8 or 9 win seasons, maybe 10 with a bowl victory. I do not see us playing in Atlanta with what we currently have and what we are currently recruiting. Sorry but I just don't.
 
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#57
#57
So I added to this and included every SEC team:

Tennessee
Offense: 27 years
Defense: 25 years

Florida
Offense: 33 years
Defense: 29 years

Auburn
Offense: 34 years
Defense: 31 years

Georgia
Offense: 33 years
Defense: 36 years

LSU
Offense: 37 years
Defense: 36 years

Alabama
Offense: 38 years
Defense: 41 years
**It’s worth noting that Bama does not start one second-year-and-under player on either offense or defense.**

Arkansas
Offense: 38 years
Defense: 40 years

South Carolina
Offense: 30 years
Defense: 39 years

Vanderbilt
Offense: 34 years
Defense: 41 years

Kentucky
Offense: 36 years
Defense: 35

Ole Miss
Offense: 27 years
Defense: 29 years

Miss State
Offense: 37
Defense: 35


As you can see Ole Miss is the only other team close to being as young and inexperienced as UT. UT and Ole miss are the only teams in the conference that are in the 20's for both offense and defense.
 
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#58
UTWes said:
I think what has me worried is that Dooley has finished middle of the pack in the sec in recruiting and this year looks to be the same. If its all about having the best players, we still aren't getting it done.
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Really? Do you really believe the recruiting svcs can accurately differentiate between a team that averages 3.4 stars and one that avg's 3.6? UT was #6 last year with 3.41 stars. Teams 2-5 all had star avg's around 3.6. IIRC, a Rivals employee admitted to pumping up Bama's class that had 3.91.

But just to clarify the difference... does Young look like a 3*? How about Randolph that Rivals showed particular bias against for some unknown reason.

From the previous year, how do the 3* nobodies named Fulton, Rivera, Fugate, and Palardy look?


The second big piece is retaining the talented players you get. In '10, ten of the 13 4/5* players made it to campus. Nine remain on the roster. In '11, twelve 4/5* players signed with UT. All made it to campus and only one has left due to personal issues. In 09, eleven 4/5* players signed... four remain on the roster. In 08, Fulmer signed only four highly rated players. Two were gone before their 3rd season.

In 07, Fulmer signed a pretty incredible five 5* players and eleven 4* players. Ten of the 16 include 3 of the 5* players were gone before their elibility was up.

That last point brings up something else you need to understand when you look at recruiting svc rankings. POLITICS are involved. The evaluators DO look at who is recruiting a kid when determining his rating. Fulmer at the time was considered a premier recruiter. Chris Donald was nowhere near the #1 LB that year. But Fulmer along with ND and Bama pursued him hard.


UT IS getting enough talent to compete for championships if Dooley and staff can coach them up.
 
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sjt18 said:
Really? Do you really believe the recruiting svcs can accurately differentiate between a team that averages 3.4 stars and one that avg's 3.6? UT was #6 last year with 3.41 stars. Teams 2-5 all had star avg's around 3.6. IIRC, a Rivals employee admitted to pumping up Bama's class that had 3.91.

But just to clarify the difference... does Young look like a 3*? How about Randolph that Rivals showed particular bias against for some unknown reason.

From the previous year, how do the 3* nobodies named Fulton, Rivera, Fugate, and Palardy look?


The second big piece is retaining the talented players you get. In '10, ten of the 13 4/5* players made it to campus. Nine remain on the roster. In '11, twelve 4/5* players signed with UT. All made it to campus and only one has left due to personal issues. In 09, eleven 4/5* players signed... four remain on the roster. In 08, Fulmer signed only four highly rated players. Two were gone before their 3rd season.

In 07, Fulmer signed a pretty incredible five 5* players and eleven 4* players. Ten of the 16 include 3 of the 5* players were gone before their elibility was up.

That last point brings up something else you need to understand when you look at recruiting svc rankings. POLITICS are involved. The evaluators DO look at who is recruiting a kid when determining his rating. Fulmer at the time was considered a premier recruiter. Chris Donald was nowhere near the #1 LB that year. But Fulmer along with ND and Bama pursued him hard.


UT IS getting enough talent to compete for championships if Dooley and staff can coach them up.
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Everyone knows we are not getting the talent we use to get. Look at who has won the last 10 national championships and SEC championships and see where they finished in recruiting every year. It a pretty simple equation to sucess in college football.
 
#61
#61
Bump for all of the ignorant fans calling for the head coach to be fired. The numbers here do not lie; the "eye" tests of spoiled fans with inferior knowledge of college athletics do.
 
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spikesglaring said:
Bump for all of the ignorant fans calling for the head coach to be fired. The numbers here do not lie; the "eye" tests of spoiled fans with inferior knowledge of college athletics do.
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Nothing you say will educate them. Thus is the problem that teachers face every day.

The dumbing down of America and No Child Left Behind rears its ugly head
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#63
#63
I agree, how can dooley and staff really expand a playbook on offense or blitz hard on Defense when we have such young players and no depth.

this is why we give dooley 2 more years to get depth built and talent brought in.
 
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#64
Tennessee
Offense: 27 years
Defense: 25 years

Florida
Offense: 33 years
Defense: 29 years

Auburn
Offense: 34 years
Defense: 31 years

Georgia
Offense: 33 years
Defense: 36 years

LSU
Offense: 37 years
Defense: 36 years

Alabama
Offense: 38 years
Defense: 41 years (!!!!!)
**It’s worth noting that Bama does not start one second-year-and-under player on either offense or defense.**

Arkansas
Offense: 38 years
Defense: 40 years

South Carolina
Offense: 30 years
Defense: 39 years
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Bump. Needs saying again.
 
#65
#65
This post should be bumped every week to remind everyone of what this team is up against. It is not a coincidence that LSU, Bama & Arkansas are the three most experienced teams in the SEC.
 
#67
#67
I would be interested to see how many 1st year players have played for us, versus the other teams in the SEC.
 
#68
#68
Fire the coaches for putting such a young team out there. Didn't they know they'd never be able to compete???

:rolleyes:
 
#70
#70
Here is what happens in a coaching change:
New coach comes in, evaluates current roster and compares it to his style of play, oops we have some guys here that don't fit with what we are going to do here and runs off players and depth.

New coach recruits 'his guys' tells them the availability to start is for the taking, sound familiar?

Malik Jackson a USC transfer is the best SR we have
Prentiss Waggner and Mychal Rivera are the best JR's we have that are healthy to play
35 Sophmores
49 Freshmen
Figure it out guys, we are in a total rebuild whether you support the coach or not and that is what it is

We need stability and senior leadership and that is going to take a few more years.
 
#73
#73
Glad to see a well-researched thread premise has gotten some traction. If just one radical NegaVol stops and thinks for a minute you have made progress. Way to go.
 
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