A little more perspective on experience....

[g8terh8ter_eric]

One of the posters on VQ, Levity, put together a really great post over there on the experience factor for UT. This is VERY eye opening, and should give kind of a new look into a fairly debated issue.....

In case you missed my earlier post which has since been overrun by volman84 (but forget it -- it's a mute point), here it is, with updated totals for the notable SEC teams:

I've my "youth research" taken this a step further now. Instead of just counting the number of third-year-or-over players, I'm now going to count the number of years experience each starter of every notable SEC team has. For example, if a player is a redshirt sophomore, he has 3 years experience.

Tennessee
Offense: 27 years
Defense: 25 years

Florida
Offense: 33 years
Defense: 29 years

Auburn
Offense: 34 years
Defense: 31 years

Georgia
Offense: 33 years
Defense: 36 years

LSU
Offense: 37 years
Defense: 36 years

Alabama
Offense: 38 years
Defense: 41 years (!!!!!)
**It’s worth noting that Bama does not start one second-year-and-under player on either offense or defense.**

Arkansas
Offense: 38 years
Defense: 40 years

South Carolina
Offense: 30 years
Defense: 39 years

This is truly a great post, and anyone who even questions where we are at this point, really needs to back off. We are in a tough spot, and this highlights it even more. Truly good research.

 

[stcvol]

you should know by now that a lot of folks on here do not understand logic

 

[VolunteerVandiver]

Thanks for sharing OP... Mind-boggling numbers.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

you should know by now that a lot of folks on here do not understand logic

In almost 7 years, you would think I would know better than to post logic, because it can confuse people.

 

[KingtUT]

I might add that most of our senior starters are rejects. Do disrespect intended, but they werent the cream of the crop. AKA... Tauren Poole, etc

 

[GreatWhiteNorth]

How dare you post logical information on this board. How dare you.

 

[tm3]

I might add that most of our senior starters are rejects. Do disrespect intended, but they werent the cream of the crop. AKA... Tauren Poole, etc

as opposed to those at bama, lswho, etc which were members of top 5 recruiting classes.

couple the above with eric's stats and it sheds some light on why i was so pleased after our first half performance against the bammers.

 

[KingtUT]

as opposed to those at bama, lswho, etc which were members of top 5 recruiting classes.

couple the above with eric's stats and it sheds some light on why i was so pleased after our first half performance against the bammers.

Thanks, I guess thats a nicer way of putting it.

 

[NewToVolCountry]

He said mute. Lol.

 

[omghulkhands]

One of the posters on VQ, Levity, put together a really great post over there on the experience factor for UT. This is VERY eye opening, and should give kind of a new look into a fairly debated issue.....



This is truly a great post, and anyone who even questions where we are at this point, really needs to back off. We are in a tough spot, and this highlights it even more. Truly good research.

I imagine this took a fair amount of time to put together. Good work

 

[tabrams]

Age and experience are great, no doubt.........but the talent potential of each kid is even more important.......
You can have a team full of experienced players without talent, and still not be very good.......

 

[SpringBokVol]

This is really good stuff.
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[Vercingetorix]

The people who have already decided that Dooley's a loser don't care. The roster is an "excuse." Nick Saban turned it all the way around in Year 2, so anyone who doesn't is a failure. And anyone who's not as good as Saban needs to be fired immediately.

 

[Vercingetorix]

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[CountVolcula]

The people who have already decided that Dooley's a loser don't care. The roster is an "excuse." Nick Saban turned it all the way around in Year 2, so anyone who doesn't is a failure. And anyone who's not as good as Saban needs to be fired immediately.

exactly
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[theutvolunteers]

Quality info.

 

[ob79]

Finally...some sense.

 

[tvolsfan]

One of the posters on VQ, Levity, put together a really great post over there on the experience factor for UT. This is VERY eye opening, and should give kind of a new look into a fairly debated issue.....



This is truly a great post, and anyone who even questions where we are at this point, really needs to back off. We are in a tough spot, and this highlights it even more. Truly good research.

Solid post.

 

[volsack7]

The people who have already decided that Dooley's a loser don't care. The roster is an "excuse." Nick Saban turned it all the way around in Year 2, so anyone who doesn't is a failure. And anyone who's not as good as Saban needs to be fired immediately.

This is well spoken. The bar was set by a legendary head coach who inherited a talented team in a talent-rich state. Others will say "well what about Urban Meyer? Gene Chizik?" and the answer is: look what happened to them after they lost their once-in-a-lifetime player.

 

[tvolsfan]

This is well spoken. The bar was set by a legendary head coach who inherited a talented team in a talent-rich state. Others will say "well what about Urban Meyer? Gene Chizik?" and the answer is: look what happened to them after they lost their once-in-a-lifetime player.

I think Saban's rapid turn around has to do with the fact that Bama was lucky enough to get a proven winner at the highest collegiate level. That type of hire is extremely rare for any team.

 

[Bigun]

I think Saban's rapid turn around has to do with the fact that Bama was lucky enough to get a proven winner at the highest collegiate level. That type of hire is extremely rare for any team.

Yes, and also Shula left Saban with a talented roster and they had experience at the important positions.

Dooley came into a situation where he had to start a QB who had never played a down in D1 and an very young OL and a DL that was thin and young as well.

 

[Vercingetorix]

I think Saban's rapid turn around has to do with the fact that Bama was lucky enough to get a proven winner at the highest collegiate level. That type of hire is extremely rare for any team.

It was an incredibly lucky hire. First, they got jilted by Rich Rodriguez at the last possible second, or everything would have been different. And when they looked around for a replacement, there was Saban sitting there. How often do you get a chance to go after a guy who just coached in your conference and won a national championship, jumped to the pros, and has already soured on it and wants to come back to college? That never happens.

This "proven winner" thing is way overrated to begin with. Butch Davis was a proven winner and he set North Carolina on fire. Rich Rodriguez was a proven winner. Spurrier's one of the greatest coaches in history and he's lost five games every year in Columbia. Even being a "proven winner" guarantees nothing.

 

[tvolsfan]

This "proven winner" thing is way overrated to begin with. Butch Davis was a proven winner and he set North Carolina on fire. Rich Rodriguez was a proven winner. Spurrier's one of the greatest coaches in history and he's lost five games every year in Columbia. Even being a "proven winner" guarantees nothing.

Situations can certainly be different. For example, I could see reasons why some people would be skeptical if UT hired someone like Chris Peterson, even with his record. On the other hand, I would probably be pretty damn confident if Tennessee hired Jim Harbaugh.

 

[AllVolinGA]

But, but, Smokyvol says that Dooley is no good. So doesn't that out weigh the logic in the OP's post?

 

[Vercingetorix]

Situations can certainly be different. For example, I could see reasons why some people would be skeptical if UT hired someone like Chris Peterson, even with his record. On the other hand, I would probably be pretty damn confident if Tennessee hired Jim Harbaugh.

Of course Harbaugh looks fantastic right now, but given the history of college coaches in the NFL, the 49ers could just as easily have been flushing money down the toilet. Greg Schiano looked like as good a hire as you could make five years ago and now nobody would be excited about hiring him. There's just a hell of a lot more uncertainty about it than fans would like to admit. Fans talk about "proven winners" like you can buy a sure thing, and it's not really the case.