A few thoughs on PotentialPlayers.com and Bryce Brown

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People like Brian Butler should be banned from messing up these High School players futures
 
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“When I asked Butler if Brown would be interested in speaking to the News Sentinel about his recruitment, Butler asked why Brown would want to talk to me considering he’s too busy to talk to so many college coaches.”

I laughed at that one. It's honest and to the point. I wonder if Butler read Hooker's articles before making a decision. I know I would tell anyone who asked me to stay away from Hooker. He's a very poor writer and he runs wild with gossip.

Is it any surprise that according to their website, Oku has also joined Butler at potentialplayers.com?
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That's very old news. Oku's page was never updated when he committed to Tennessee. Oku is not one of his closest relationships. I'm just trying to fill you in by the way.
 
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Tennessee Jack said:
“When I asked Butler if Brown would be interested in speaking to the News Sentinel about his recruitment, Butler asked why Brown would want to talk to me considering he’s too busy to talk to so many college coaches.”

I laughed at that one. It's honest and to the point. I wonder if Butler read Hooker's articles before making a decision. I know I would tell anyone who asked me to stay away from Hooker. He's a very poor writer and he runs wild with gossip.



That's very old news. Oku's page was never updated when he committed to Tennessee. Oku is not one of his closest relationships. I'm just trying to fill you in by the way.
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Ya Hooker is a freaking moron. Why would he write an article talking crap about Butler when we are in the mix for Brown? Does he want us to get Brown or not? Whether you like this Butler guy or not, he's Browns main man and is probaly going to go where he's tells him to go. Sorry if you got your feelings hurt Hooker, but we need this kid. So shut-up!
 
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That's very old news. Oku's page was never updated when he committed to Tennessee. Oku is not one of his closest relationships. I'm just trying to fill you in by the way.
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Thanks Tennessee Jack. I didn't mean it to sound like it was breaking news but rather it seems to be the trend that (at least some) these kids at pp don't seem to typically talk to the media.
 
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Obviously these kids want his services, so as long as nothing is being done illegal, let the kids get their education from the school of hard knocks.
 
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Interesting read. Thanks for posting. I think Butler will gain some credibility if/when some of his kids graduate, and he does NOT become their agent.
 
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Oldblood said:
Interesting read. Thanks for posting. I think Butler will gain some credibility if/when some of his kids graduate, and he does NOT become their agent.
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I heard Butler on ESPN radio and he claims to have mentored kids that made it to the NFL.
 
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There is something fishy around Butler. I wonder how much he charges the Brown family for his "services"? I would love it if Brown comes to UTK, but I would be very nervous with Butler hanging around.
 
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This is going to turn out to be very much like all of these AAU coaches that hand players to colleges in turn for favors from multiple sources. Shoe companies included.
 
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Atlvol313 said:
This is going to turn out to be very much like all of these AAU coaches that hand players to colleges in turn for favors from multiple sources. Shoe companies included.
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I agree, this situation is heading down a slippery slope and the NCAA needs to step in on this ASAP. Even if Butler is on the up and up, it will not be much longer before another "handler" gets greedy and there will be a big mess for the NCAA and the univerisities to clean up.
 
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Hadn't seen the Ted Miller article yet.

I have to disagree with much of what he said---

Brown can get a great education wherever he goes to college. He just has to look for it and care about it.
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I'm pretty sure some colleges' academic programs are more equal than others.

Fair or unfair, it will stigmatize him.
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because people like Ted Miller can't let it play out without offering around the clock criticisms...?

He will add nothing.

All the schools that pursued Brown would have done so without him having a "Mentor/Trainer not Street Agent/Handler."
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Wichita wasn't getting much attention and I certainly don't think Brown would be the the Rivals #1 without Butler. Butler's camps and speed/strength training turned a very good player into a great player, before he got to college by exposing him to an accelerated workout routine.

This is not the most important decision in Bryce Brown's life. Not even close. When Brown looks back on his life 60 years hence, it likely won't rank in his top 10.
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This comment I found utterly ridiculous. Many people meet their spouses at college and the lucky ones make lifelong friends. To say that your college choice won't affect everything that comes during and after college is ridiculous.
 
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Tennessee Jack said:
I'm pretty sure some colleges' academic programs are more equal than others.
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Come on, do you think Brown is delaying his decision because he is weighing differences in academic programs? Unless he is looking at some type of specialized degree, all of those schools offer a similar education.

Tennessee Jack said:
Wichita wasn't getting much attention and I certainly don't think Brown would be the the Rivals #1 without Butler. Butler's camps and speed/strength training turned a very good player into a great player, before he got to college by exposing him to an accelerated workout routine.
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As a trainer, I might agree, but Butler's role goes beyond that.
 
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My question is: how does Butler get so involved? Does he force himself upon these families? Do they seek him out?

I just think that someone would have to be really naive to believe that Butler isn't, in some way, potentialy putting these kid's futures in danger.
 
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OHvol40 said:
My question is: how does Butler get so involved? Does he force himself upon these families? Do they seek him out?

I just think that someone would have to be really naive to believe that Butler isn't, in some way, potentially putting these kid's futures in danger.
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In this case, he's know the Brown family for several years, I believe since Bryce was in 7th or 8th grade.

I'm sure that working with a player that has received as much hype as Brown will definitely help him with other prospects in the future.
 
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Until someone can show me something were Butler has done something that accually hurts the kids future, I'm going to stay neutral on him. I do wonder how much he's helped these kids over the years to get them to this point.
 
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vol_freak said:
Come on, do you think Brown is delaying his decision because he is weighing differences in academic programs? Unless he is looking at some type of specialized degree, all of those schools offer a similar education.
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I didn't think I implied it was a factor, but I see what you're saying about Brown's personal academic ambitions and not about general parity between institutions.

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As a trainer, I might agree, but Butler's role goes beyond that.
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I think the number of hats he's tried on is what has led to his public undressing. With one or two roles he was fine, but with five roles, he has been vilified for the volume and not the manner of his endeavors.
 
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Tennessee Jack said:
I think the number of hats he's tried on is what has led to his public undressing. With one or two roles he was fine, but with five roles, he has been vilified for the volume and not the manner of his endeavors.
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I think that's accurate -- with maybe the exception of charging for access to the website. I don't know all the details, but that seems dangerously close to exploitation to me.
 
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I am not sure this guy is much different that CJ & Chris Leake's dad or Juicy Locke as they shopped their kids around. Only difference may be he is not a blood relative. But many times adults have tried to negotiate things such as getting the school to not take another QB etc. Wouldn't be the first time a kid was left out of the decision making process.
I am a little afraid of this mentor/agent/advisor if he is going to be constantly hanging around the practice field, and maybe trolling for other customers for whatever services he supposedly provides.
 
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Simply put, this situation is going to make coaches take 2 or 3 looks at kids in this situation again. It's disruptive and honestly it's kind of underhanded the way this whole thing has played out. I would say that coaches are going to tend to shy away from kids like this in the future and if that happens I would say "street agents" will fade more and more away. The situation is like a troll on VN, if you continue to feed it then it will continue to post. Same thing with Butler, if his hunger for attention is continually fed by the coaches, people like him will continue to be around and multiply. If the NCAA doesn't step in with the whole representative issue for HS students, then it's own rules for agents will soon be questioned.
 
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I enjoyed hearing your thoughts on this, Freak. Well-constructed as well. The biggest point I gathered from it - and perhaps that's why you saved it for last - is that these guys under the PP umbrella have really gained nothing from their relationship with Butler (not in terms of visibility to colleges at least) and the only person that appears to benefit from it at all is Brian Butler.
 
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