A concerted plan to minimize some of the negative clutter on VN:

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Orange_Crush

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  1. We should each take personal responsibility
  2. We should each use restraint
  3. We should have a plan

I am currently training a 1 year old Great Dane to live nicely with people. Here's what works. Ignore behavior that is uncivilized and shouldn't be rewarded (with minimal, acceptable correction). Reward correct behavior that you would like to see become ingrained. Be consistent with each.

That's it.

If we keep bickering with those on here that post ultra-negative, unrealistic, asinine comments about the UT program, recruits, players and coaches, we're feeding their need for attention. We are rewarding them and training them to keep doing it to get what they want. Every time you quote one, you are giving them a snack for acting like a jerk.

My new personal rules:

  • No more than two responses to any one point that I disagree with.
  • No responses to a point that I disagree with, and that has been answered how I would have answered it. Instead I will like the post that answered it and/or quote the answer post with an"exactly", etc...
  • I will completely ignore posts that are obviously there for the shock value.
  • I will refuse to get into "name calling" matches. Insults and name calling are an implicit admissions to a faulty argument and/or ignorance, and doesn't need me to point it out.
  • If I see something that I consider over the line, I'll report it and let the moderators do their job. They are the ones with a true platform for influence around here.

Any other suggestions are welcome.

It works wonders for dogs. Let's agree to give it a try on here and try to tidy up the forum. Look at the bright side, even if it doesn't work, it'll save a lot of us some time and keystrokes.

:hi:
 
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I don't know who you are Orange Crush, but you seemed to have done a Vulcan mind probe on me. I was in the process of typing a very similar thread. However, I took your advice and "liked" it instead. Thanks for posting.
 
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The ignore button works great. I don't ever read any of the trolls or negative Vol fans posts. I works.
 
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This is a great idea in part.

Unfortunatly, it does not keep potential recruits from seeing the garbage that gets spewed on here. They are not going to put someone on ignore for talking about them. They are going to read it and form an opinion about our fanbase from it.
 
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BigBadVol said:
The ignore button works great. I don't ever read any of the trolls or negative Vol fans posts. I works.
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I kind of enjoy reading some of the meltdown crazies sometimes. It reminds me how level headed and downright brilliant I am. :)

Obviously kidding.

Also, Op: I just started training a new puppy (kind of a mutt, his mom was an Australian Shepard and his dad is unknown.... but I'm starting to think his dad was a Pitbull), who is about 16 weeks old. I realized I hadn't been doing a great job of enforcing good behavior. Trying to train him to heel on his leash, not to jump on folks, and also to sit and wait for his food and not to lunge at it. Any good dog advice for me?
 
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BigBadVol said:
The ignore button works great. I don't ever read any of the trolls or negative Vol fans posts. I works.
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^^This^^

Do it. Repeat as necessary. (which is about every other post/user lately)

Suddenly, the sky clears and VN is a beautiful place.

:good!:
 
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IMHO there are equally as many "pie in the sky" threads-posts as there are "debby downer" threads-posts.
 
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so is it to be strictly rainbows & unicorns from here on out?

no discussion? no divergent thinking?

well that sure is gonna be fun..
 
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I'm on board with this.I will be using the ignore button also.

Seems as though the trolls and the ones that only want to start an internet fight are taking over this board.

Thanks for a great post Orange Crush.
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85SugarVol said:
so is it to be strictly rainbows & unicorns from here on out?

no discussion? no divergent thinking?

well that sure is gonna be fun..
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Now you got it. 100% unconditional blind support of everything UT, no criticism or questioning the great Butch Jones.
 
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seaofORANGE22 said:
I kind of enjoy reading some of the meltdown crazies sometimes. It reminds me how level headed and downright brilliant I am. :)

Obviously kidding.

Also, Op: I just started training a new puppy (kind of a mutt, his mom was an Australian Shepard and his dad is unknown.... but I'm starting to think his dad was a Pitbull), who is about 16 weeks old. I realized I hadn't been doing a great job of enforcing good behavior. Trying to train him to heel on his leash, not to jump on folks, and also to sit and wait for his food and not to lunge at it. Any good dog advice for me?
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I'm by no means an expert, just an internet jockey that's researched for advice. what I have found that works:

  • Ignore almost everything Cesar Milan says. Your dog isn't trying to dominate you or your house. His methods may work, but they damage trust and relationship
  • See your dog instead as a "reward-seeking missile." The pleasure centers of her brain are basically wired to kick in any time she is rewarded. So, reward her for the things you want her to do. Deny rewards when she does things that you don't want her to do.
  • Clicker training is awesome to show her exactly what she did that was right.
  • Be patient and loving.
  • The internet/YouTube is full of good clicker-training advice to teach you how to teach your dog almost anything.
    Good luck. :)

For instance, to teach her not to jump up on people, walk away from her when she does it. Only pet her when she is sitting down. She will learn that she gets affection when she sits down, and start sitting down instead.

I just taught my 1 yr old, 105 lb female Great Dane to stop lunging for food. (And this dog was crazy about it! It took about 3 minutes for her to start getting it.)

Hold onto a handful of food (edit: Inside a closed hand so she can only smell it but not get to it). Also have some dog treats available in the other hand. Hold the people food under her nose. She will nose for it, but don't give it to her. As soon as she removes her nose from the food hand for any reason (and she will eventually), immediately praise her (or click a clicker) and give her a dog treat from the other hand. Repeat. Be consistent. Within a few minutes, she will begin ignoring your food hand in expectation for the treat from the other.

Within three 15 minute sessions, she began to come up and sit down when someone is eating. I will occasionally give her a treat to reinforce that she sometimes gets a treat when she's sitting, but NEVER when she is jumping, lunging or nosing for food.

Anyway, like I said... I'm no expert, but that's the kind of thing that is working amazingly for us. Good luck.

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utvols74 said:
I don't know who you are Orange Crush, but you seemed to have done a Vulcan mind probe on me. I was in the process of typing a very similar thread. However, I took your advice and "liked" it instead. Thanks for posting.
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:hi:
 
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85SugarVol said:
so is it to be strictly rainbows & unicorns from here on out?

no discussion? no divergent thinking?

well that sure is gonna be fun..
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That's not at all what I said.

If you're intent is just endless bickering, I won't be any fun. That's not the activity on here that I plan to reward anymore.

:hi:
 
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volfanjustin said:
Now you got it. 100% unconditional blind support of everything UT, no criticism or questioning the great Butch Jones.
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It may be fun to put words into people's mouth, but not very constructive. That wasn't at all what I said.

*Response 1 of 2.

:hi:
 
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Orange_Crush said:
  1. We should each take personal responsibility
  2. We should each use restraint
  3. We should have a plan

I am currently training a 1 year old Great Dane to live nicely with people. Here's what works. Ignore behavior that is uncivilized and shouldn't be rewarded (with minimal, acceptable correction). Reward correct behavior that you would like to see become ingrained. Be consistent with each.

That's it.

If we keep bickering with those on here that post ultra-negative, unrealistic, asinine comments about the UT program, recruits, players and coaches, we're feeding their need for attention. We are rewarding them and training them to keep doing it to get what they want. Every time you quote one, you are giving them a snack for acting like a jerk.

My new personal rules:

  • No more than two responses to any one point that I disagree with.
  • No responses to a point that I disagree with, and that has been answered how I would have answered it. Instead I will like the post that answered it and/or quote the answer post with an"exactly", etc...
  • I will completely ignore posts that are obviously there for the shock value.
  • I will refuse to get into "name calling" matches. Insults and name calling are an implicit admissions to a faulty argument and/or ignorance, and doesn't need me to point it out.
  • If I see something that I consider over the line, I'll report it and let the moderators do their job. They are the ones with a true platform for influence around here.

Any other suggestions are welcome.

It works wonders for dogs. Let's agree to give it a try on here and try to tidy up the forum. Look at the bright side, even if it doesn't work, it'll save a lot of us some time and keystrokes.

:hi:
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it's not unrealistic to say we had a crappy recruiting year and jones has been nothing special right now. anybody would agree with that except a delusional UT fan. to be honest most of them are the same ones that thought dooley was great. all you can do as a UT fan is hope for the best and expect to suck.
 
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