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Would still be a 7-10 point underdog to Bama in Neyland. Add in the injuries and you get what happened on Saturday.

They have recruited better than anyone in football for years and they have the best staff ever assembled.

They are better. It sucks but it is true. There is only one Saban and he is the best to ever put on a headset.

Blaming Jones or Debord is just an emotional response.
 
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We are wild crazy Tennessee loving fans.....who do we blame? Somebody has to take responsibility. I'm doing my part supporting this team.
 
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Not blaming or accusing.. It is NOT healthy for College FBall for 2 or 3 teams to be that dominate every year after year.. Its actually quite curious when you think about it as there are probably 30 or so Universities who have facilities on the same par as bama and osu. Don't say coaching cause the game isn't that complicated. I just find it odd for talent gaps to be that wide from 2-4 schools and everyone else and it is NOT healthy for the game or the conference but $$ controls things
 
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led0321 said:
Would still be a 7-10 point underdog to Bama in Neyland. Add in the injuries and you get what happened on Saturday.

They have recruited better than anyone in football for years and they have the best staff ever assembled.

They are better. It sucks but it is true. There is only one Saban and he is the best to ever put on a headset.

Blaming Jones or Debord is just an emotional response.
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You are a genius
 
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led0321 said:
Would still be a 7-10 point underdog to Bama in Neyland. Add in the injuries and you get what happened on Saturday.

They have recruited better than anyone in football for years and they have the best staff ever assembled.

They are better. It sucks but it is true. There is only one Saban and he is the best to ever put on a headset.

Blaming Jones or Debord is just an emotional response.
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Actually Alabama is an NFL team. So, we lost to an NFL team yesterday.
 
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1truevol said:
Still believe in my heart Bama is running a corrupt system.
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If you are suggesting that players at Alabama are getting paid, I doudt it.
They may be getting peanut money for a bus ticket home or to help ma ma pay the electric bill. I doudt that large scale payments are being made.
IT is too risky to do that. Suppose a player leaves the program on bad terms then that player can turn the program in for revenge. IT is too risky.
DO I think that players are having their grades fudged or that players are being put in 8th grade level classes Yes, I do believe that some of those players are not actually college material.
But again, as far as large scale cheating, I don't see it.
ALmost all programs give peanut money to their players and help fudge their grades in order to keep them eligible.
 
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Nocleats said:
Not blaming or accusing.. It is NOT healthy for College FBall for 2 or 3 teams to be that dominate every year after year.. Its actually quite curious when you think about it as there are probably 30 or so Universities who have facilities on the same par as bama and osu. Don't say coaching cause the game isn't that complicated. I just find it odd for talent gaps to be that wide from 2-4 schools and everyone else and it is NOT healthy for the game or the conference but $$ controls things
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Saban can watch film and see the opponents weaknesses. He also has the top players to take advantage of a teams weakness and get a win. Recruiting, executing, game plan...... That is all it is....
 
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Nocleats said:
Not blaming or accusing.. It is NOT healthy for College FBall for 2 or 3 teams to be that dominate every year after year.. Its actually quite curious when you think about it as there are probably 30 or so Universities who have facilities on the same par as bama and osu. Don't say coaching cause the game isn't that complicated. I just find it odd for talent gaps to be that wide from 2-4 schools and everyone else and it is NOT healthy for the game or the conference but $$ controls things
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How do you control that though? College football is still head and shoulders above the NFL to me. Look at how many incredible finishes and games have come from college football this season especially from our vols the NFL doesn't compare at all
 
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fade route said:
The Cleveland Browns would be up 40 points by halftime against Bama
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No.

Maybe 40 years ago or so, the College National Champions beat an NFL team. I'll Google an edit later.

Bama not only has future NFL players, but they are high round NFL players.

These boys may be younger, but they are still strong and fast.

No Bama would not be down by 40.

Just a personal experience thing. When i played Super Midgets (7- 8th) grade we scrimmaged a High School team. Yes this happened. And we beat them.
We went on to beat other super midget teams by an average of 35 points a game.

Bama has more 1st round and 2nd round talent than Cleveland.

Here it is Fade.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_College_All-Star_Game
 
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LittleVol said:
No.

Maybe 40 years ago or so, the College National Champions beat an NFL team. I'll Google an edit later.

Bama not only has future NFL players, but they are high round NFL players.

These boys may be younger, but they are still strong and fast.

No Bama would not be down by 40.

Just a personal experience thing. When i played Super Midgets (7- 8th) grade we scrimmaged a High School team. Yes this happened. And we beat them.
We went on to beat other super midget teams by an average of 35 points a game.

Bama has more 1st round and 2nd round talent than Cleveland.

Here it is Fade.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_College_All-Star_Game
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So you scrimmaged a scrub high school team and think that will carry over to Alabama playing Cleveland? Alabama would be beaten up and down the field so bad the DA might press assault charges on Cleveland. Yes, Alabama has a few guys who could play on Sunday. But Cleveland has 50+ players who dedicate their entire living to football and have years of experience playing at the highest level.
 
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College football is a rich get richer businesses.
Bama is on top for now. Saben is a great coach but he also has a big advantage. Top coaches will work there because it is easy to win and look good. Bonuses for winning come every year. The top tallent wants to play there. Money for facilities etc. is endless. Kiffen is only at Bama to get his next head coaching job and he will get it soon. Saben has already hired his replacement. That's how much money Bama has to spend.
What happens when Saben leaves? Bama went down before, it will happen again.

Tennessee had it going under Fulmer for a few years.

The only way to the top is to build a program through recruiting and winning at a large university like UT. We have a large supportive alumni and fan base. When the team wins fans buy tickets and donate. We get better coaches and facilities that gets you better players. The circle of life in college football.

Butch is a great manager of the program, recruiter and motivator. He will hire better coaches as his budget grows and we will keep getting better. He doesn't even need to be the best X And O guy. He just needs to recognize and hire them. His hiring of Shoop tells me he can find them and recruit them.
 
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80% of Bama's roster is composed of 4 and 5 star players . 80% of our roster is composed of 3 star players . On top of that you add in the fact Saban has assembled one of the best coaching staffs in the country . We'll never be able to be on their level until the cycle is changed .
 
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Volunteer Boy said:
80% of Bama's roster is composed of 4 and 5 star players . 80% of our roster is composed of 3 star players . On top of that you add in the fact Saban has assembled one of the best coaching staffs in the country . We'll never be able to be on their level until the cycle is changed .
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This is true statement. We need to be recruiting 4 and 5 stars and need to keep upgrading our coaching staff. We must turn things around on Alabubba. We need also to stop playing them as our permanent opponent from the West. Let's "share the love" with our East brethren. What is our west teams this year had been Miss State and Auburn? We may have been unbeaten.
 
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FlVols said:
This is true statement. We need to be recruiting 4 and 5 stars and need to keep upgrading our coaching staff. We must turn things around on Alabubba. We need also to stop playing them as our permanent opponent from the West. Let's "share the love" with our East brethren. What is our west teams this year had been Miss State and Auburn? We may have been unbeaten.
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No reason to stop playing Bama. To be the best you have to beat the best. Sat was just a bad day no reason to jump ship. If we win out this will sting less. If we beat Bama (or another West team) in Atl it will be almost forgotten.
 
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In my opinion, it all boils down to this one sentence...

"An 'up and comer' who has a slightly better than a 50/50 winning percentage and 2 bowl victories the last two years and who has endured 4 coaching changes in 10 years played against a 'tried and true', well-established team who has had 1 coach in 10 years who has played for and won multiple conference championships and national championships - with the up and comer being annihilated."
 
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led0321 said:
They did a great job discussing the injuries in this segment.

At one point in the game Tennessee was down 19 guys during the Bama game. They were picked to win the east because they had 17 starters returning. Right now they have 9 of those 17 left.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YChR0EMabM
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....and this gets back to my post a few days ago about a metric on percentage of starters playing. How many starters does 'Bama have playing? Secondly, the drop-off b/t their 1st and 2nd string is much less dramatic than most universities.
 
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Nocleats said:
Not blaming or accusing.. It is NOT healthy for College FBall for 2 or 3 teams to be that dominate every year after year.. Its actually quite curious when you think about it as there are probably 30 or so Universities who have facilities on the same par as bama and osu. Don't say coaching cause the game isn't that complicated. I just find it odd for talent gaps to be that wide from 2-4 schools and everyone else and it is NOT healthy for the game or the conference but $$ controls things
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Their dominance is a result of a perfect storm. They have the best coach by far. They have a good in state recruiting bed to draw from. They have the facilities to cultivate the talent. They are also looked upon favorably by the league so they get some wiggle room on the rules.

Other teams have had circumstances like this before but no one has capitalized like bama.
 
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Volunteer Boy said:
80% of Bama's roster is composed of 4 and 5 star players . 80% of our roster is composed of 3 star players . On top of that you add in the fact Saban has assembled one of the best coaching staffs in the country . We'll never be able to be on their level until the cycle is changed .
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False. We have to best coaching staff in the country now. Butch said so in his first press conference.
 
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This continuing notion that ANY CFB team can compete with the worst of the NFL is a joke I can't believe people truly believe.

There was an ESPN Ohio poll where over 50% of the state voted that the Buckeyes would beat the Browns. This is just lunacy. Not OSU nor Bama would beat a single NFL team. The Browns are an entire roster of pro players. Other than the New England game they have lost by just a few points to every team they have played.

They do not suck.

Cleveland would beat Alabama by 40+. Jalen Hurts is a true freshmen. He is NOT going to tear through a professional defense. Get over yourselves and this idiocy.
 
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LittleVol said:
No.

Maybe 40 years ago or so, the College National Champions beat an NFL team. I'll Google an edit later.

Bama not only has future NFL players, but they are high round NFL players.

These boys may be younger, but they are still strong and fast.

No Bama would not be down by 40.

Just a personal experience thing. When i played Super Midgets (7- 8th) grade we scrimmaged a High School team. Yes this happened. And we beat them.
We went on to beat other super midget teams by an average of 35 points a game.

Bama has more 1st round and 2nd round talent than Cleveland.

Here it is Fade.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_College_All-Star_Game
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Do you remember why Steve Spurrier was horrible in the NFL. He brought several of his stud Florida players to the Redskins. They were a disaster.
 
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