photovol
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While Larry Scott was a poor hire for OC, I'm not particularly convinced that things would have been any different with Helfrich. Maybe we win that Florida game and go 5-7, but the overall result is still the same. Butch was the problem; not the OC!
Butch's terrible S&C program even made Bob Shoop look bad. And Shoop looked good at Vandy, Penn State, and now Miss State. UT was the outlier!
Only reason he got the job was the timing of Kiffin's departure. Hamilton had to chose a replacement with no time to vet or interview enough coaches due to a fast approaching NSD. Yes, his bloodline made it a good PR move, but the political side was just saying, "You better fix this fast" to Hamilton. Plenty of supporters and donors didn't like the Kiffin hire when it was made, and liked it even less when he quit. He would have been better off swallowing his pride and trying to re-hire Fulmer, but I doubt he would have accepted it under Hamilton. Who knows?
If you want to figure out why Tennessee football has been in decline, it comes down to the loss of John Stucky as S&C coach. Hasn't been the same since then.
It’s a lot more than just SC.
If incompetent morons rule the roost you’ll never get off the ground
I agree to a point but you are just referring to coaches. I am referring to the penny pinching administrators who wouldn't overhaul the weight room, and put the proper weight room set up in ATC. Look at Tennessee's overall record after Stucky. If you can't see the decline from that point up until Fitzgerald came in. get your eyes checked. S&C is everything, especially in the SEC.
The issue is we hired such crappy/cheap HCs with Butch and Dooley, no decent coordinators were willing to join UT by the end for Dooley/Butch. The only way to get coordinators is to overpay position coaches that were overmatched...
Exactly. Add in the infamous 3rd and Chavis Mustang Poop Scheme, and there's your real formula for why he was fired. The majority of the fanbase was sick of that crap by 2005, WAAAAY before the Clawfense crapped the bed.Fulmer giving Sanders the OC job and sticking with him when it was obvious to the rest of the world he was over his head was worse than his Clawson debacle.
Butch was for certain. Dooley with a John Chavis type leading the defense probably would have worked out reasonably well. I don't think Dooley is a football idiot, he's done well since he's left usI disagree. Dooley and Butch were in over their heads no matter who the assistants were. Josh Dobbs just obscured that for part of 2015...
I think a lot of people instantly surmised that his success was always following Kelly.. it’s just at the time everyone with orange tinted glasses refused to listen and as always immediately put down and attacked those posters. But it was brought up plenty.The biggest question mark was Dooley imo.
Literally, he had a losing LA Tech the season prior. Only reason he got the job was his coaching bloodline and I'm sure some politics. Butch was more justified because he seemed to be a good program builder/promoter. The two stops before UT he showed that each team improved more each year and we kind of saw that here. Unfortunately, we didnt analyze that most of that success should be contributed to Brian Kelly and he was a better salesman than coach.
Debord was a much better coordinator than he gets credit for. Anyone that could make Butch listen and get the most out of that system isn’t terrible. Dobbs no doubt was awesome as well.I disagree. Dooley and Butch were in over their heads no matter who the assistants were. Josh Dobbs just obscured that for part of 2015...