(4) Celtics vs. (5) Hawks

#178
#178
_vol said:
Hawks ownership would sell them for a nice pair of shoes and a private cruise in the med.
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Yep. Those jackasses have been wanting out for almost the whole time they've owned the team. The second their lawsuit cleared up, they sold the hockey team to the first bidder and wouldn't wait six months to try to scrap together a local group. They've already tried to sell the basketball team but it fell through. They'll sell them to anybody they can; I just hope that Stern won't let them move. Or maybe that would be for the best.
 
#179
#179
Anybody know what Al Horford's contract status is? He's the only freaking good thing on the team; are the Hawks going to have to let him walk before they can finally ditch Johnson in three years and start rebuilding?
 
#180
#180
Vercingetorix said:
Anybody know what Al Horford's contract status is? He's the only freaking good thing on the team; are the Hawks going to have to let him walk before they can finally ditch Johnson in three years and start rebuilding?
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He signed a five year $60M deal in 2010 if I remember correctly.
 
#181
#181
Looked it up... Teams who have used the amnesty clause: Orlando, New York, Golden State, Cleveland, New Jersey, Portland.

Atlanta could dump Johnson and not have it go against the cap, but Marvin Williams and Zaza Pachulia both have crazy salaries and time left.

Josh Smith gets $13.2mil next year which is a contract year for him.

Still hard to see Johnson and Horford getting up to $25mil and a steady $12mil respectfully through 2016.
 
#183
#183
Good news. Well, only three years until Johnson's expiring contract becomes useful enough that somebody will trade for it. Until then, you punt Josh Smith out of town for whatever you can get, fire the coach, and manage around the edges. The Hawks are in the worst place you can be in the NBA, which is good enough to get in the playoffs and lose immediately, so that there's no help coming from the draft, and they're locked in that position for several years.
 
#184
#184
Vercingetorix said:
Good news. Well, only three years until Johnson's expiring contract becomes useful enough that somebody will trade for it. Until then, you punt Josh Smith out of town for whatever you can get, fire the coach, and manage around the edges. The Hawks are in the worst place you can be in the NBA, which is good enough to get in the playoffs and lose immediately, so that there's no help coming from the draft, and they're locked in that position for several years.
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It doesn't look *that* bad. They can amnesty Johnson, put Josh Smith on the block with an expiring deal next year. Leaves Horford with a long-term deal, and that will clear up enough room to make some moves. The Marvin Williams contract will still sting but it could be worse.
 
#185
#185
milohimself said:
Looked it up... Teams who have used the amnesty clause: Orlando, New York, Golden State, Cleveland, New Jersey, Portland.

Atlanta could dump Johnson and not have it go against the cap, but Marvin Williams and Zaza Pachulia both have crazy salaries and time left.

Josh Smith gets $13.2mil next year which is a contract year for him.

Still hard to see Johnson and Horford getting up to $25mil and a steady $12mil respectfully through 2016.
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I don't pretend to know anything about the NBA's salary structure. They can dump him and have it not count against the cap, but they still have to pay him full board, right? This ownership isn't going to do a damn thing aimed at winning that costs them any money past their already sunk costs.
 
#186
#186
Horford is the one piece you want to build around. The problem is that these owners are not just going to amnesty Johnson and pay other players too. All they want is to get out.
 
#187
#187
Vercingetorix said:
I don't pretend to know anything about the NBA's salary structure. They can dump him and have it not count against the cap, but they still have to pay him full board, right? This ownership isn't going to do a damn thing aimed at winning that costs them any money past their already sunk costs.
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Normally if you dump a player, you still have to pay them in full and a really good size chunk of their compensation will count against the salary cap. The amnesty clause is a one-time get out of jail free card for each franchise that allows front offices to dump a contract without a significant hit of any kind to the salary cap. There still is a hit IIRC, but it's negligible. Joe Johnson is getting the full amount of his contract through 2016 regardless of what happens
 
#188
#188
Vercingetorix said:
Horford is the one piece you want to build around. The problem is that these owners are not just going to amnesty Johnson and pay other players too. All they want is to get out.
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Depends on if they want to keep the team. If they amnesty Johnson and use that newly created space, it will definitely hurt the balance sheet.
 
#189
#189
milohimself said:
Normally if you dump a player, you still have to pay them in full and a really good size chunk of their compensation will count against the salary cap. The amnesty clause is a one-time get out of jail free card for each franchise that allows front offices to dump a contract without a significant hit of any kind to the salary cap. There still is a hit IIRC, but it's negligible. Joe Johnson is getting the full amount of his contract through 2016 regardless of what happens
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It's a moot point unless they can sell the team, then. Zero chance.
 
#192
#192
GAVol said:
What was it that sunk the deal with Hispanic pizza guy?
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They never said specifically, I don't think, but my impression was that the NBA looked into him and decided he just didn't have enough liquidity to own the team. They'd rather stay with terrible owners than enthusiastic but a possibly questionable owner. Meanwhile, Magic Johnson can buy the Dodgers with about $75 of his own money.

I don't think it's out of the question that the Hawks will leave too, because the ASG wants out of the Hawks just as badly as they wanted out of the Thrashers. Depends on how much of a hammer the commissioner wants to wield about it.
 
#195
#195
Heart breaker with that FT going in and out. Horford shouldn't be considered a goat, because without him this wouldn't have been a decent series.
 
#196
#196
n_huffhines said:
Heart breaker with that FT going in and out. Horford shouldn't be considered a goat, because without him this wouldn't have been a decent series.
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He's the best player on the team, as far as I'm concerned. The goats are the two guys who settled for 20- and 24-foot jump shots instead of taking a clear path to the rim in the last minute.
 
#197
#197
Both the Hawks and the Bulls lost with guys coming awfully close to fouling on long range desperation shots. One of these days those idiots are going to get a foul called on them. WTF risk it and play tough D at 70 feet?
 
#198
#198
Just read a statement from the NBA admitting the refs screwed up at the end of the game and should have awarded the Hawks a Technical foul shot and the ball on the side. Still would have been down by 1 with 3.1 left, but typical garbage luck for a garbage franchise.
 
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