30 Years and Over Thread with some exceptions

[Sudden Impact]

It is going to be hard for some of you to grasp this concept and if you are under the age posted it will be understood as to why you do not get it..

Most of you have not endured the painful periods we older ones have....The days before the 80's. The days before J Majors. The days of watching staffs and players come and go....

Watching Quick fixes that worked......IE 1985 Defense with Ken Donohue....

The Undercutting of Coaches...Don't get me wrong it was time for JM to go....It was also past Time for Fulmer to depart he was around 6 years to long......

PH clearly demonstrated clearly how to retain your job as a coach by courting the boosters....

We have seen what MH answer was to Fulmer "a Rodeo Side show with Circus"....Not for this program but to keep the booster and the buzz rating for this team up....MH hired a Snake Oil salesman and pawn him off as a Savior....

What a mess we have created..... by hiring a Kool aide Salesmen in the past....and a fan base that bought into it.....I didn't Like Al Davis but thought he was right about Kiffin....

Fulmer started selling it to the boosters and Lane started Selling it to everyone......A lot bought into play...

Derrick Dooley is not selling it....He hasn't yet and when he does it will then be time for him to go....but I don't think he will ever do it

In 2000s, we have totally been embarrassed at UT...We have not won the big game since the turn of the Century really...we backed into an SECCG we did beat Miami but what big game have we won that we should not have in the last 10 years....

We have had top notch recruiting classes....We did beat GA one year at home.....It was the Save Fulmer Game booster that took letters of endorsement from all the former players.....to motivate a team....

Now we have a Coach in which we are young we are bringing in EEs every year....that is excellent way to do business... We are addressing recruiting needs....no thugs, no more fulmer cup....no more academic issues....no more investigations.....and a team that is on a tremendous learning curve.....excellent recruiting.....IT IS Going to take Time and patience.....

This program thanks to Fulmer, Kiffin, and Hamilton, and add Pearl's mess which again brought the NCAA into looking at the Football team was at Ground Zero....The Chaos and changeover of staffs was enough alone for a HS Kid to not want to play for this University....It spelled trouble....

We are stable again, but some of the younger ones and a few old ones that like Fulmer, ignored the fact that he took his eye off the wheel went to sleep, and it did seemed like he did not care anymore.....his focus was to get the long extensions and sit back and watch the games......

JM got the same way....after 1990, but he was helped out the door with a knife in his back....but it was time for him to go.....

Kiffin, enough said....

Dooley has standards.....He will go on his own when he choses because he is a man of integrity and realism....and he ain't selling Kool-aid.

The younger generations are ones of instant gratification...That is what got us into this predicament to begin with.....It is time to exercise some patience....

We still have a lot of holes to fill on this team and it is going to take time...

The program had sustained something as close to a NCAA Death Penalty that you can get without getting one....I believe the only difference is that we were not punished administratively like one but as far as turmoil in the program it is about as close as you can get....

 

[MSCE09]

English? Mother****** do you speak it?

 

[Coach Grizz]

The younger generations are ones of instant gratification...That is what got us into this predicament to begin with.....It is time to exercise some patience....


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[Pacer92]

The younger generations are ones of instant gratification...That is what got us into this predicament to begin with.....It is time to exercise some patience....


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This.

 

[dembewbs]

The younger generations are ones of instant gratification...That is what got us into this predicament to begin with.....It is time to exercise some patience....


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*exorcise

 

[gorockytop101]

The younger generations are ones of instant gratification...That is what got us into this predicament to begin with.....It is time to exercise some patience....


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If you pay someone $2 million a year, you expect "instant gratification". I'm still behind Dooley, but if he doesn't win 10 next year (with or without some of our current assistants), kick his ass to the curb before more damage is done to our program.
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[GreveHaller]

The younger generations are ones of instant gratification...That is what got us into this predicament to begin with.....It is time to exercise some patience....


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then it can be argued that the same patience should have been practiced on Phil. 5-7, then 9-4 followed by 10-4 and a SECCG, with a 5-7. Having patience might have helped up instead of these 6 and 7 win seasons.

Thanks Hammy. You screwed us well.

 

[Sudden Impact]

If you pay someone $2 million a year, you expect "instant gratification". I'm still behind Dooley, but if he doesn't win 10 next year (with or without some of our current assistants), kick his ass to the curb before more damage is done to our program.
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Too many factors to make that statement.....Look at this recovery as if we got the Death Penalty....and how long it takes....We have literally started at Ground Zero.....

When we pull the trigger the next time on a coach is the key....but we don't need to project it.......We will know and we need to be professional and straight forward...But the if he doesn't is win x games is your timeline and may not be best for this program in the long run....

Hence we now have an AD that understands the Dynamics of College Athletics at a higher tier and it is not all about the money.....We got everything a player would want in facilities to include tradition....

Tradition cannot be bought so it is best that we have a coach that understands and embraces....It is more important that we have an AD that does....a plus is that both the AD and Head football Coach do....that is what you rebuild a program with....

This is as close to the Death Penalty as you can get without it being served...

 

[gorockytop101]

then it can be argued that the same patience should have been practiced on Phil. 5-7, then 9-4 followed by 10-4 and a SECCG, with a 5-7. Having patience might have helped up instead of these 6 and 7 win seasons.

Thanks Hammy. You screwed us well.

Phil is the reason we had to rebuild our offensive and defensive lines.
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[Sudden Impact]

then it can be argued that the same patience should have been practiced on Phil. 5-7, then 9-4 followed by 10-4 and a SECCG, with a 5-7. Having patience might have helped up instead of these 6 and 7 win seasons.

Thanks Hammy. You screwed us well.

Fulmer had the booster support and money....Then you get NFL players writing letters....Campaigning for the Head Coach that had quit.....

It was a mess.....Hamiliton waited to long to pull the trigger and then he hired a clown....truly believe he was pressured into extensions and Hamiliton was worried about job security if he fired Fulmer before he did...

 

[gorockytop101]

Too many factors to make that statement.....Look at this recovery as if we got the Death Penalty....and how long it takes....We have literally started at Ground Zero.....

When we pull the trigger the next time on a coach is the key....but we don't need to project it.......We will know and we need to be professional and straight forward...But the if he doesn't is win x games is your timeline and may not be best for this program in the long run....

Hence we now have an AD that understands the Dynamics of College Athletics at a higher tier and it is not all about the money.....We got everything a player would want in facilities to include tradition....

Tradition cannot be bought so it is best that we have a coach that understands and embraces....It is more important that we have an AD that does....a plus is that both the AD and Head football Coach do....that is what you rebuild a program with....

This is as close to the Death Penalty as you can get without it being served...

I understand that. But if Dooley can't create a servicable o-line/d-line in 3 years with the talent he brings in, then we need to get someone in here who will. I don't want 8 win seasons. I want championships.
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[DC Vol]

The problem is patience? How long should Dooley get?


Most gave him a pass but a coach like Saban or Meyer would have found a way to win at least one of the "debacle" games last year. Saban or Meyer sure as hell would have beaten UGA last night.


They were backed up basically out of the red zone and the punt didn't even reach the 1st Down conversion line. Then they committed a foul and gave us the ball at the 50. That wasn't because we did anything right... it's the fact that UGA played like sh1t. That should have been the point at which UGA handed us the game. But our staff couldn't capitalize on mistakes. Better coaches capitalize on mistakes.

Clock management was an issue. Delay of game on a 3rd and 1 is an issue. Focus and intensity were issues. These are issues that good (i.e. championship) coaches weed out and weed out quick. Dooley will hopefully be our Zook (he had 3 years) or Shula (he had 4 years).


Hopefully, now with Hamilton and the "As long as the game attendance fills the coffers" mentality we'll actually go out there and get a coach that will win a championship. We won't be able to get that with Dooley and anything less than $5mil/year. Hopefully, by the time he leaves, he leaves the cupboard as stocked as the 2 aforementioned did. Beating Vandy, Kentucky and a litany of other no-names to get 6-6 is NOT the way to keep your job.

 

[GreveHaller]

Phil is the reason we had to rebuild our offensive and defensive lines.
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News flash, Speedy. He's been gone for 3 years now. That same guy you laud as the reason we're in this mess also led you to a SECCG the year before he was pushed out. If it had been 2, 3, even 4 years of nothing I'll buy your logic. His last year + 3 years afterward isnt him. We should be reaping the benefits of Lane's class and Dooleys. No big names want to come here, and its not because of Phil.

 

[MemphianVol]

The younger generations are ones of instant gratification...That is what got us into this predicament to begin with.....It is time to exercise some patience....


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After having time to sleep it off, I'm inclined to agree. As much as I hate referencing Steve Spurrier, I would say that USCe is where it is because they were patient. Frustrating as it may have been through the years, they rode out the storm and they're looking pretty good right now.

I'm good with giving Dooley more time, but I still think that some of the assistants need to be shown the door.

Quick turnarounds like the one Saban pulled are still the aberration. Not the norm.

 

[Coach Grizz]

For the record that statement was from the OP. I am agreeing with him by saying bingo. Tough times don't last, tough people do. We'll be back, it's gonna take time.
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[gorockytop101]

News flash, Speedy. He's been gone for 3 years now. That same guy you laud as the reason we're in this mess also led you to a SECCG the year before he was pushed out. If it had been 2, 3, even 4 years of nothing I'll buy your logic. His last year + 3 years afterward isnt him. We should be reaping the benefits of Lane's class and Dooleys. No big names want to come here, and its not because of Phil.

You say we should have kept Phil, but then say his screw-ups don't matter because they were 3 years ago. Not sure which side you're on.
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[UTVOLFAN]

The younger generations are ones of instant gratification...That is what got us into this predicament to begin with.....It is time to exercise some patience....


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Yup.

 

[DC Vol]

If you pay someone $2 million a year, you expect "instant gratification". I'm still behind Dooley, but if he doesn't win 10 next year (with or without some of our current assistants), kick his ass to the curb before more damage is done to our program.
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Shula won 10 in 2005.

 

[DC Vol]

For the record that statement was from the OP. I am agreeing with him by saying bingo. Tough times don't last, tough people do. We'll be back, it's gonna take time.
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I don't think it's that people are expecting Dooley to win the SEC this year... it's the fact that people are coming around to realize that Dooley isn't that guy.


UT is done with stagnation and mediocrity. If it is realized that Dooley isn't a consistent SEC/BCSNC guy... he should be gone.

 

[Sudden Impact]

News flash, Speedy. He's been gone for 3 years now. That same guy you laud as the reason we're in this mess also led you to a SECCG the year before he was pushed out. If it had been 2, 3, even 4 years of nothing I'll buy your logic. His last year + 3 years afterward isnt him. We should be reaping the benefits of Lane's class and Dooleys. No big names want to come here, and its not because of Phil.

Fulmer is a contributing factor not the sole reason....but the years after the NC....and the Black Wednesday on recruit commitment day was embarrassing (A Lot of people forgot about that)

Kool aide told several after the Championship that he felt that they were going to win 1 possibility 2 more NC by 2007

 

[Sudden Impact]

I don't think it's that people are expecting Dooley to win the SEC this year... it's the fact that people are coming around to realize that Dooley isn't that guy.


UT is done with stagnation and mediocrity. If it is realized that Dooley isn't a consistent SEC/BCSNC guy... he should be gone.

I just state it is going to take time....to know...I don't know if he is or not....I never thought Wilcox was and still don't....There is a disconnect....It's Dooley's staff....Too damn early....Get 4 years of recruits in and Let us see where the program is and then see....

We still have not recruited an SEC Caliber Running Back.....Truly believe we need a Running Back Coach and that is my biggest disappointment in not having a coach to recruit and train RBs.....

 

[DC Vol]

I just state it is going to take time....to know...

Writing was on the wall RE Zook and Shula after 3 and 4 years respectively.


Period.


Either we're a Florida and Bama where they went out and got the best coach that would take the job (no matter the pricetag) or we're a program that settles.


With Hamilton out and with Hart in, we'll see how things play out. I can't see Hart keeping Dooley around past the point where it's clear he won't contend for an SEC title every ~3 years and a National Title every ~5-6 years.



After not being able to beat a painfully average UGA team, at home, that played a very sloppy game pretty much paints a clear picture.


If Dooley wins 10 next year that should not save his job. As I said, Shula won 10 in 2005 and was fired after going 6-6 in 2006 after 2 mediocre years in 2003 and 2004. His SEC record in his first 2 and last year was 7-17. Seem familiar? Beating the bottom feeders of the SEC will not (and should not) allow a coach to keep his job at an Alabama or Tennessee.

 

[DC Vol]

We still have not recruited an SEC Caliber Running Back.....Truly believe we need a Running Back Coach and that is my biggest disappointment in not having a coach to recruit and train RBs.....

If Dooley wants to keep his job he'll fire Heistand immediately.


I'm not so sure the problem is with the RBs yet. It's awfully hard to run well behind an OL that has 2/3 of the opposition's front-7 in the backfield right after getting the ball. OL is horrible.

 

[GreveHaller]

You say we should have kept Phil, but then say his screw-ups don't matter because they were 3 years ago. Not sure which side you're on.
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the argument is that we should be patient not pulling the trigger to get rid of DD. We didnt have patience before but 3 years later and 3 6/7 win seasons (well, hopefully we can find 6 this year) we need to be patient. Before being bowl eligible was a given and 8-9 wins wasnt good enough. Now, being bowl eligible is the year's accomplishment. But we're bowl eligible with patience. I'm right on board with you, captain.

 

[Sudden Impact]

I understand that. But if Dooley can't create a servicable o-line/d-line in 3 years with the talent he brings in, then we need to get someone in here who will. I don't want 8 win seasons. I want championships.
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I agree....about the line play....I don't think people realize how lucky we were.......with talent....and how much it fell off when the coaches had to start coaching at UT....

How many times was Chavis head demanded here...He is doing well at LSU because it is easier to coach Talent...Duh. We stop getting the talent and when we did the coaching ability never kicked in....Hiring Clawson was a joke, but had good buzz when it happen...What a failure by this administration....This is the SEC....

No Coach of any Caliber wanted to come here...The Money was not an issue....Hamiliton wanted to save a buck sure but they could not get the names they wanted...It was Drama and Chaos, almost HS level..

We got money we can hire anybody we want.....Wrong..
Coaches don't want to come here and coach even with the big salary we can pay.....

We waited too late to fire Fulmer and then went to a Circus Act....Restore a little bit of dignity and the tradition to this program before you depart the train again....You want drama...then do just that....