2017 Vols will have the #1 or #2 ranked DEFENSE in the SEC

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jordan4vols said:
Last year has nothing to do with this year but since you bring it up GT beat all those teams so again saying every team in the SEC is better is again comical at best
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Didnt say anything about anyone being better. Our d is bad and last year is certainly an indicator of how bad.
 
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KBVol said:
Not sure if you're missing the point deliberately or on accident. And yes, last year does have something to do with this year....the GaTech game was the continuation of a very bad trend with Bob Shoop as the common denominator.
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I never said our defense didn't stink it up but calling the team we just played worse than any team we will play in the SEC is laughable and LWS knows it. That was the point I was addressing
 
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jordan4vols said:
I never said our defense didn't stink it up but calling the team we just played worse than any team we will play in the SEC is laughable and LWS knows it. That was the point I was addressing
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I understood your point. Some guys just can't stand it if they think you're taking up for the Vols. Doesn't matter if you said you think GT is better than KY, all that matters to them is how many yards our defense gave up against them. Our defense sucks and that's all you need to be concerned with.
 
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Behr said:
I understood your point. Some guys just can't stand it if they think you're taking up for the Vols. Doesn't matter if you said you think GT is better than KY, all that matters to them is how many yards our defense gave up against them. Our defense sucks and that's all you need to be concerned with.
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Right, glad you arent concerned with our d mr high road.
 
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Behr said:
I am.

Already mentioned it several times. Don't need to use it as an excuse to change the subject when I don't like the subject.
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Ive been objective in this thread, posted d stats and all. Just cant win with you :)

Saw earlier you are in line for that Hurricane, where you at?
 
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Burger said:
GT's defense was horrendous as well. We won't have the luxury of playing trash defenses in conference play except for Mizzou and maybe Kentucky. If we can't control the line of scrimmage, we will be hurting.
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Agreed. That is why Monday night will not be indicative of our season. Our offense won't look as good as it did in the 2nd half of that game. But conversely our defense won't look as bad as it did.

I said from the start that this will be a defensive led team this year. Just wait until the SEC schedule starts. That is when you'll see how good we'll be on defense.
 
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patrick said:
D4H said "I actually liked most of what I saw Monday night from the defense."

This statement is one of the most foolish things I have seen on this board for months. The reality in which he lives must be full of rainbows and unicorns.

The triple option offense run by GT rarely produces 535 yards rushing in a single game.
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I did. I loved the athleticism and pursuit I saw on the field. I loved the fact the coaches have made Micah Abernathy and Nigel Warrior our starting safeties. I love the fact Daniel Bituli and Darrell Taylor emerged as stars. I love the fact KMac was able to play as many snaps as he did showing how much his conditioning improved. Overall I just loved the way our players looked on defense physically. They looked explosive and in great shape. They are set up for a great year in conference play.

My only concern from Monday was Justin Martin and that second corner spot. We gotta get that figured out. Other than that I liked what I saw. I even was impressed with Cortez McDowell, a guy I ripped last year and all off-season. He improved his body immensely this year. I think he's set up to have a good senior season.
 
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KBVol said:
Not sure if you're missing the point deliberately or on accident. And yes, last year does have something to do with this year....the GaTech game was the continuation of a very bad trend with Bob Shoop as the common denominator.
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Georgia Tech is an outlier. We're not gonna see an offense like that again this year. If Florida runs all over us in 2 weeks with that horrible offensive line then we should be worried. Till then I have belief in Shoop and the players.

I really like this year's defense. They will lead us to a national championship.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Agreed. That is why Monday night will not be indicative of our season. Our offense won't look as good as it did in the 2nd half of that game. But conversely our defense won't look as bad as it did.

I said from the start that this will be a defensive led team this year. Just wait until the SEC schedule starts. That is when you'll see how good we'll be on defense.
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We are weak on the Dline this year. We have some pretty big holes at defensive tackle and linebacker. Bituli and Taylor are only two players out of 7. The other five players were not good.

We will see very similar concepts all year from run heavy teams.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Georgia Tech is an outlier. We're not gonna see an offense like that again this year. If Florida runs all over us in 2 weeks with that horrible offensive line then we should be worried. Till then I have belief in Shoop and the players.

I really like this year's defense. They will lead us to a national championship.
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We are not winning a national championship. Your first paragraph was fine and then you go and add in that absurdity
 
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Burger said:
We are weak on the Dline this year. We have some pretty big holes at defensive tackle and linebacker. Bituli and Taylor are only two players out of 7. The other five players were not good.

We will see very similar concepts all year from run heavy teams.
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Wrong.

Defensive line is the strongest position group on this team. I love what I saw from Kongbo, Vickers, KMac, and Taylor. Can't wait to see Shy. From what I've seen in practice he looks in phenomenal shape. And I believe Kyle Phillips will make a big impact as the season goes on.

Overall we are 6 deep with quality starting caliber NFL defensive lineman (Vickers, Kongbo, Taylor, McKenzie, Tuttle, and Phillips). We have a emerging superstar at LB in Bituli and McDowell looks better than he ever has. And our secondary is loaded with 4 really good players (Gaulden, Warrior, Aberbathy, and Moseley). We need Martin to step up. But other than that the defense is looking AWESOME.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Georgia Tech is an outlier. We're not gonna see an offense like that again this year. If Florida runs all over us in 2 weeks with that horrible offensive line then we should be worried. Till then I have belief in Shoop and the players.

I really like this year's defense. They will lead us to a national championship.
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Lol
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Wrong.

Defensive line is the strongest position group on this team. I love what I saw from Kongbo, Vickers, KMac, and Taylor. Can't wait to see Shy. From what I've seen in practice he looks in phenomenal shape. And I believe Kyle Phillips will make a big impact as the season goes on.

Overall we are 6 deep with quality starting caliber NFL defensive lineman (Vickers, Kongbo, Taylor, McKenzie, Tuttle, and Phillips). We have a emerging superstar at LB in Bituli and McDowell looks better than he ever has. And our secondary is loaded with 4 really good players (Gaulden, Warrior, Aberbathy, and Moseley). We need Martin to step up. But other than that the defense is looking AWESOME.
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We went from 4 deep to 6 deep, while being the worst d in ncaa over 6 games
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
New season. Maybe Georgia Tech's new QB is just that good. If you remember he was the main guy who carved us up and he didn't play last year.

Also just because we are bad against the option doesn't mean we'll be bad against other teams.

I will once again direct you to the fact in 2009 an FCS triple option team ran for 400 yards against mighty Alabama (who up to that point in the season hasn't given up 400 yards rushing combined to all the teams the played).

Struggling against the triple option doesn't mean you'll struggle against conventional offenses. That's a fallacy.
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This kept being a bit of an earworm on me so in my cursory look over the season I'm not seeing where AL gave up 400yds total in '09, much less 400yds rushing. I may have missed it but could you point out that cited game for us please?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Wrong.

Defensive line is the strongest position group on this team. I love what I saw from Kongbo, Vickers, KMac, and Taylor. Can't wait to see Shy. From what I've seen in practice he looks in phenomenal shape. And I believe Kyle Phillips will make a big impact as the season goes on.

Overall we are 6 deep with quality starting caliber NFL defensive lineman (Vickers, Kongbo, Taylor, McKenzie, Tuttle, and Phillips). We have a emerging superstar at LB in Bituli and McDowell looks better than he ever has. And our secondary is loaded with 4 really good players (Gaulden, Warrior, Aberbathy, and Moseley). We need Martin to step up. But other than that the defense is looking AWESOME.
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"K-mac" got driven off the ball countless times or wiffed on wrapping up the dive more than a handful of times. Not exactly living up to expectations.
 
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hndog609 said:
This kept being a bit of an earworm on me so in my cursory look over the season I'm not seeing where AL gave up 400yds total in '09, much less 400yds rushing. I may have missed it but could you point out that cited game for us please?
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Bamawriter corrected me. I believe he said it was in 2011 when Bama got run all over by a triple option team.
 
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Dr. Manhattan said:
"K-mac" got driven off the ball countless times or wiffed on wrapping up the dive more than a handful of times. Not exactly living up to expectations.
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No he didn't. We lined 1-2 yards off the line of scrimmage by design and all Georgia Tech did was dive at our guys knees all night trying to cut block them. Go back and watch the game again. There was no getting driven back off the ball. There was a lot of moving back so that your legs don't get taken out.

Some of y'all should watch the game back again before talking about it. Its easy to miss things when watching it live in the heat of the moment.
 
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volfannbama said:
Okay, so to make sure i understand you correctly, we are 6 deep at DE and DT? And the quality is such that we will be 2nd in the SEC? Is that correct?
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Yes. We have 6 starting caliber NFL defensive lineman. As long as they can stay healthy, they will lead us to a national championship.
 
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BeardedVol said:
You always try to build-in an out for yourself when you make your ridiculous predictions.
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That is sort of a prerequisite with every prediction. I believe I'm good at judging talent and then applying that to predict how good a player or team will be. I am however not a fortune teller who can predict the future. If all our key players get injured (as happened last year) then obviously we won't have as much success as we would if they stay healthy.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
That is sort of a prerequisite with every prediction. I believe I'm good at judging talent and then applying that to predict how good a player or team will be. I am however not a fortune teller who can predict the future. If all our key players get injured (as happened last year) then obviously we won't have as much success as we would if they stay healthy.
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How's Brad Kaaya, Kelvin Taylor, and Marquez North doing in the NFL? Just 3 right off the top of my head
 
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