2017 Vols will have the #1 or #2 ranked DEFENSE in the SEC

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Upon further review, I still disagree with your premise.

If you think last nights game has any reflection on our defense the rest of the year you are sorely mistaken. That was a one off event against a gimmick system that worked pretty well against us.

I still expect our defense to finish top 2 in the SEC by the end of the season. I love the athletes we have on that side now given the emergence of Daniel Bituli and Darrell Taylor. I'm also encouraged by the fact we're starting Nigel Warrior and Micah Abernathy at safety ahead of TKjr.

You're gonna be sorry you bumped this thread the way you did. Its gonna backfire on you in a few weeks when we look godly on defense.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

This bump made me laugh. D4H and all of film study seems to be a little off in this prediction.

D4H makes me laugh in general. His meltdown last year is my all time favorite thing I've read on Volnation.

Triple option is a weird offense. We won't play that defense scheme again this year. Did you watch the game? We had our defensive lineman 2-3 feet off the line of scrimmage in 2-point stances trying to protect their knees from being cut.

We'll be a lot better on the defensive line once we start playing traditional offenses. I was impressed with Kahlil McKenzie and Kendal Vickers last night. Still believe they will have All-SEC caliber seasons. I also believe Shy Tuttle will come back strong against Florida. And the emergence of Darrell Taylor will continue.

We're gonna be lights out on defense this year moving forward.

 

[Backwards K]

D4H, I will give you this about Tennessee's defense. The DBs and LBs stay on their blocks better than any other defensive players in the SEC!!:whistling:

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

D4H, I will give you this about Tennessee's defense. The DBs and LBs stay on their blocks better than any other defensive players in the SEC!!

My only concerns about the defense are Colton Jumper and Justin Martin. The coaches have to bench Colton once we go 4-2-5 moving forward. Daniel Bituli has earned the right to start at linebacker for us moving forward ahead of him.

I'm also incredibly concerned about Justin Martin's performance. All off-season we heard he was a changed man. He looked like the same player that struggled mightily in 2016. I thought Micah Abernathy and Nigel Warrior played well last night. We'll be better at safety now with them starting. I'm still confident in Emmanuel Moseley having a big season. But that second corner spot with Justin Martin looks weak. Maybe it might be time to give Shawn Shamburger or Cheyenne Labruzza a look out there.

Overall I'm still high on the defense. I think we have a lot of good players on that side of the ball.

 

[66volfan]

If you think last nights game has any reflection on our defense the rest of the year you are sorely mistaken. That was a one off event against a gimmick system that worked pretty well against us.

I still expect our defense to finish top 2 in the SEC by the end of the season. I love the athletes we have on that side now given the emergence of Daniel Bituli and Darrell Taylor. I'm also encouraged by the fact we're starting Nigel Warrior and Micah Abernathy at safety ahead of TKjr.

We're down 500+ yards rushing after the first game. That's about 6 or 7 yds a carry avg given up. We're going to have to hold some teams to negative rush yards to even break into the top 5 in the SEC much less the top 2. I'm not a negavol, but that's a tall order

 

[RhodesVol]

If you think last nights game has any reflection on our defense the rest of the year you are sorely mistaken. That was a one off event against a gimmick system that worked pretty well against us.

I still expect our defense to finish top 2 in the SEC by the end of the season. I love the athletes we have on that side now given the emergence of Daniel Bituli and Darrell Taylor. I'm also encouraged by the fact we're starting Nigel Warrior and Micah Abernathy at safety ahead of TKjr.

You're gonna be sorry you bumped this thread the way you did. Its gonna backfire on you in a few weeks when we look godly on defense.

I think this is a bit of an understatement. I get that we won the game, but come on, it was the worst showing a UT defense has ever had, unless I am mistaken, in terms of yards given up.

 

[checkerboards09]

I think this is a bit of an understatement. I get that we won the game, but come on, it was the worst showing a UT defense has ever had, unless I am mistaken, in terms of yards given up.

Nope, that was against Troy in the Dooley era. We gave up about 750 yards.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Upon further review, I still disagree with your premise.

BUMP of the season so far. Nicely done.

 

[Concept]

At this point, florida's offense vs our defense seems like an interesting matchup, but not in a nice way.

The whole line-up-two-yards-back seemed like a counter-gimmick for a game we didn't care about. We may be better than we showed, but that is not saying much. We're still going to need to score points.

 

[CAVPUT]

Enjoy the schtick but you're being ridiculous now. This group stunk last year and they're off to a similar start this year. Either Shoop is a fraud or our talent is....or maybe it's a bit of both. Regardless, if I'm the head coach, my goal is to keep that bunch off the damned field and to minimize their impact on the game. Stop the hurry up. Find a blocker for Kelly. Run the ball early and often. Depend on special teams. The more Shoop and the defense are involved, the less likely we are to come out on top. We aren't Saban and Bama. They hang their hats on defense. We just don't have that luxury.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

We're down 500+ yards rushing after the first game. That's about 6 or 7 yds a carry avg given up. We're going to have to hold some teams to negative rush yards to even break into the top 5 in the SEC much less the top 2. I'm not a negavol, but that's a tall order

Lotta season left. Remember in 2009 Alabama gave up 400 yards rushing to a triple option team and still finished #1 in the country against the run.

One game flukes happen.

You all will change your tune in 2 weeks when we hold Florida to about the same number of yards that Michigan did.

Week 3 against Florida is when we'll know how good we're gonna be on defense. Week 1 was a fluke. We can learn nothing from it.

 

[jps2194]

In GT's last 4 games in 2016, they rushed for the following 309, 199, 226, 266 against VA, VA Tech, KY and GA. Yet we had the whole summer to prep and gave up 535 yards.

Something is clearly wrong with our run defense. These "flukes" didn't happen to other teams.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I think this is a bit of an understatement. I get that we won the game, but come on, it was the worst showing a UT defense has ever had, unless I am mistaken, in terms of yards given up.

You guys just love to complain. Just go back and see what a triple option FCS team did to Alabama in 2009. They ran for 400 yards on Saban's first national championship team in Tuscaloosa.

Getting run all over by an option team tells you nothing about your defense against conventional offenses. All it tells us is that we suck against the option and we better hope we don't see Georgia Tech again.

But other than that we learned nothing from the defense. We're gonna be playing a completely different way the rest of the year. I promise you won't see our defensive lineman 2-3 feet off the line of the scrimmage in a 2-point stance the rest of the year.

 

[LSU-SIU]

If you think last nights game has any reflection on our defense the rest of the year you are sorely mistaken. That was a one off event against a gimmick system that worked pretty well against us.

I still expect our defense to finish top 2 in the SEC by the end of the season.

D4H's 2017 Tennessee Vols Predictions

You said they would hold opponents under 15 points a game, you have already burned up 41 of 180 regular season points. Last year you said Tennessee was going to be #1 in scoring defense and they finished #68.

"gimmick system" How long have you been "studying" football, I would suggest you go research further and maybe you will understand the history of what Georgia Tech was doing. lol:lol:lol:

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Enjoy the schtick but you're being ridiculous now. This group stunk last year and they're off to a similar start this year. Either Shoop is a fraud or our talent is....or maybe it's a bit of both. Regardless, if I'm the head coach, my goal is to keep that bunch off the damned field and to minimize their impact on the game. Stop the hurry up. Find a blocker for Kelly. Run the ball early and often. Depend on special teams. The more Shoop and the defense are involved, the less likely we are to come out on top. We aren't Saban and Bama. They hang their hats on defense. We just don't have that luxury.

Now?

 

[Ty4Vols]

Triple option is a weird offense. We won't play that defense scheme again this year. Did you watch the game?

Oh sh!t I missed the game?

Of course I watched the game. I haven't missed a game in over 22 years. Guess what? Watching all of that football doesn't make my predictions 100% accurate. I picked the Vols to win 31-16 and I was wrong.

The last 3 words of the previous sentence would be effective if you used them more often.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Enjoy the schtick but you're being ridiculous now. This group stunk last year and they're off to a similar start this year. Either Shoop is a fraud or our talent is....or maybe it's a bit of both. Regardless, if I'm the head coach, my goal is to keep that bunch off the damned field and to minimize their impact on the game. Stop the hurry up. Find a blocker for Kelly. Run the ball early and often. Depend on special teams. The more Shoop and the defense are involved, the less likely we are to come out on top. We aren't Saban and Bama. They hang their hats on defense. We just don't have that luxury.

Spoken like a reactionary fan with no understanding of the game.

What Georgia Tech does is unique. Thus we were doing things defensively that we're not gonna do against anyone else. Its pretty dumb to draw conclusions about our run defense when we have yet to play our normal scheme against a normal team.

Georgia Tech is an outlier. The only thing we learned last night about our defense is that we better hope we don't play an option team again this year. Other than that we learned NOTHING.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Of course I watched the game. I haven't missed a game in over 22 years. Guess what? Watching all of that football doesn't make my predictions 100% accurate. I picked the Vols to win 31-16 and I was wrong.

The last 3 words of the previous sentence would be effective if you used them more often.

Then you're definitely a better fan than him; he admits he checked out when the going got tough.

 

[pimo1]

Fact.. every team GT plays this year (or any) will have running D numbers that look bad.

There are other teams in the US that run the option but as far as major D1 schools there is only one since Nebraska quit. Yeah there is always App State and Air Force and so on. Those schools run the offense because they get at best 3rd tier recruits on a good day for various reasons. Most SEC level players would never meet height.weight for air force and even if they did why the heck would they go to air force if they wanna make the NFL? Those national service years mess up drafting/signing a lot. GT does not recruit SEC level talent. Thats a fact. But because of the fact they are dead center in ATL metro they can get walk ons and midteir D1 talent all day.. With the occasional 4-5 star sprinkled in. They actually will often recruit/get the guy that woulda been 4-5 star had he not been 2 inches shorter and 10-20 pounds lighter. Those guys fit in the Option like a glove.

They have the chip by birth. Then on top of that, they play in a proven offense that can do what it does talent or not. The option is the princeton/ucla (basketball) offense of football. Look at most D2 or below teams that get upsets on their D1 counterparts its normally option. Remember when app state beat then number 1 Michigan? Nebraska proved it better tan any in their years of dominance. remember when Nebraska ruled college FB? Now look at how many offensive players from those teams got more than a cup o coffee in the NFL. They don't have bad players, they have the guys that fal in between the cracks. The tweeners and overlooked.

Monday night GT executed. How many Penalties did they have before halftime? At the end of the game? Look at the team historically its not strange for that to be the case. They are a disciplined team the works as a sum of the parts and everyone checks their attitude at the door. From necessity. It would not be possible to do that at MID-top tier big5 conf. We recruit the alphas they recruit those guys that got left out and guys that directly fit their offense/Defense. A school like UT is a lot more limited in that (artificially). It is why we get the Cam Suttons and Derek Barnetts of the world rarely and the Bryce Browns more often.

At GT or Vandy you can recruit on upside and develop (correct way). High to mid tier D1 its all about recruiting class rank and often the top rated guy might not fit your scheme (Hurd). Then you find some lower ranked guy that just gets it done (John Kelly.) John Kelley has less swag/stupid/entourage as a Hurd. so he is more likely to win because nothing is expected. We put way too much pressure on freshman as a fan base imo.

Coaching happens in the first 2 years but for most it sets in years 3-4. Most freshman All americans never get heard from again. Juniors that earn that award tend to spend significant time on NFL rosters.

 

[allvol123]

Spoken like a reactionary fan with no understanding of the game.

What Georgia Tech does is unique. Thus we were doing things defensively that we're not gonna do against anyone else. Its pretty dumb to draw conclusions about our run defense when we have yet to play our normal scheme against a normal team.

Georgia Tech is an outlier. The only thing we learned last night about our defense is that we better hope we don't play an option team again this year. Other than that we learned NOTHING.

You always learn NOTHING.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

In GT's last 4 games in 2016, they rushed for the following 309, 199, 226, 266 against VA, VA Tech, KY and GA. Yet we had the whole summer to prep and gave up 535 yards.

Something is clearly wrong with our run defense. These "flukes" didn't happen to other teams.

New season. Maybe Georgia Tech's new QB is just that good. If you remember he was the main guy who carved us up and he didn't play last year.

Also just because we are bad against the option doesn't mean we'll be bad against other teams.

I will once again direct you to the fact in 2009 an FCS triple option team ran for 400 yards against mighty Alabama (who up to that point in the season hasn't given up 400 yards rushing combined to all the teams the played).

Struggling against the triple option doesn't mean you'll struggle against conventional offenses. That's a fallacy.

 

[hndog609]

D4H's 2017 Tennessee Vols Predictions

You said they would hold opponents under 15 points a game, you have already burned up 41 of 180 regular season points. Last year you Tennessee was going to be #1 in scoring defense and they finished #68.

For someone of his prescience there should be no such thing as a "fluke". Instead we have someone that flatly predicted GT would only score 7 points.

 

[bamawriter]

Lotta season left. Remember in 2009 Alabama gave up 400 yards rushing to a triple option team and still finished #1 in the country against the run.

It was 2011 and 302 yards. You've said it wrong 3 different times in the past few posts. Bama also played 25 different guys on defense in that game.

Comparing the two is a bit of a stretch, even for you.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Other than that we learned NOTHING.

Who is "we"? lol:

I agree, if you meant you haven't learned much. lol:

 

[LSU-SIU]

For someone of his prescience there should be no such thing as a "fluke". Instead we have someone that flatly predicted GT would only score 7 points.

Haha.

So funny.

He is now calling the triple option a gimmick and some type of new witchcraft. lol:lol: D4H, its called old school football. lol

"I see magic, everywhere" - D4H