2013 LB recruiting

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UTVOLKeith

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Are we recruiting "tweeners" who are a great fit for a 3-4?

Why do we have 4 low/unrated/unoffered commits at the position of greatest need?
 
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Because the coaches especially Coach Sal got them on campus and evaluated them in person and lliked what they saw and offered I turst the coaches fully when it comes to talent evaluation
 
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volfrk86 said:
Because the coaches especially Coach Sal got them on campus and evaluated them in person and lliked what they saw and offered I turst the coaches fully when it comes to talent evaluation
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so that's it basically what i thought.

very discouraging imo
 
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I agree with the OP.

LB recruiting hasn't been anything to brag about the last two cycles. Dooley did a great job landing Johnson and Maggit in the 2011 cycle, but last year's LB haul was not good. This year's doesn't look much better besides Vereen. I like his game.

All UT fans keep on with the "let's trust Sal's evaluations, UT coaches know way more about talent than you, etc." arguments. Obviously UT's coaches know more about evaluating talent than VN posters do, but that doesn't change the fact UT isn't getting elite LBs. UT is missing on the elite, high-level LBs and I think Sal is realizing that and having to settle for LBs that aren't quite as talented. Does that mean UT LB commits are terrible or that I don't think Sal can evaluate talent? No, it means I think Sal and UT's defensive staff are having to settle when it comes to LB recruiting. Everybody on here was talking about how Christian Harris was an underrated LB recruit and was going to surprise some people and he hasn't done anything yet. Given, he has plenty of time to do so, I just don't see it happening.

Besides Vereen, what offers do UT LB commits have? Campbell I don't believe has any, Barnes is holding down the fort with a Southern Miss and Furman offers, and I believe Zanca has a Purdue offer. That is really it. Given, they have the rest of the summer to go to camps and gain offers. But, I don't want UT to continually pick up LB recruits that are "underrated, under the radar type guys that other major colleges don't want anything to do with.

Maybe I am just greedy, but I would like UT to sign LBs that have offers from every major college across the country by the end of their junior year/begginning of summer before their senior season, NOT LBs that have 2 mid-major offers in July that have to try to go through camp circuits to get any more offers. I know every now and then some players do get overlooked and I understand that, but for the most part, the big-time studs don't get overlooked too often.

I want UT to be a winning football team again. I want UT to have kick-ass defenses again. Nothing personal, but I don't see UT winning championships again with the caliber of LBs currently committed. Just my opinion. I think Sal is good at evaluating talent, but at this point there aren't too many elite LBs knocking down the door. UT needs to win this year and surprise some people and then I think UT can quit settling for talent and start to pick up better talent.

* I am ready for the bashing I am about to receive for this. *
 
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flowd82 said:
I agree with the OP.

LB recruiting hasn't been anything to brag about the last two cycles. Dooley did a great job landing Johnson and Maggit in the 2011 cycle, but last year's LB haul was not good. This year's doesn't look much better besides Vereen. I like his game.

All UT fans keep on with the "let's trust Sal's evaluations, UT coaches know way more about talent than you, etc." arguments. Obviously UT's coaches know more about evaluating talent than VN posters do, but that doesn't change the fact UT isn't getting elite LBs. UT is missing on the elite, high-level LBs and I think Sal is realizing that and having to settle for LBs that aren't quite as talented. Does that mean UT LB commits are terrible or that I don't think Sal can evaluate talent? No, it means I think Sal and UT's defensive staff are having to settle when it comes to LB recruiting. Everybody on here was talking about how Christian Harris was an underrated LB recruit and was going to surprise some people and he hasn't done anything yet. Given, he has plenty of time to do so, I just don't see it happening.

Besides Vereen, what offers do UT LB commits have? Campbell I don't believe has any, Barnes is holding down the fort with a Southern Miss and Furman offers, and I believe Zanca has a Purdue offer. That is really it. Given, they have the rest of the summer to go to camps and gain offers. But, I don't want UT to continually pick up LB recruits that are "underrated, under the radar type guys that other major colleges don't want anything to do with.

Maybe I am just greedy, but I would like UT to sign LBs that have offers from every major college across the country by the end of their junior year/begginning of summer before their senior season, NOT LBs that have 2 mid-major offers in July that have to try to go through camp circuits to get any more offers. I know every now and then some players do get overlooked and I understand that, but for the most part, the big-time studs don't get overlooked too often.

I want UT to be a winning football team again. I want UT to have kick-ass defenses again. Nothing personal, but I don't see UT winning championships again with the caliber of LBs currently committed. Just my opinion. I think Sal is good at evaluating talent, but at this point there aren't too many elite LBs knocking down the door. UT needs to win this year and surprise some people and then I think UT can quit settling for talent and start to pick up better talent.

* I am ready for the bashing I am about to receive for this. *
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No, you bring up some good points. No bashing here. I don't know how the LBs will work out here, but your concerns are reasonable and legitimate.
 
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flowd82 said:
All UT fans keep on with the "let's trust Sal's evaluations, UT coaches know way more about talent than you, etc." arguments. Obviously UT's coaches know more about evaluating talent than VN posters do, but that doesn't change the fact UT isn't getting elite LBs. UT is missing on the elite, high-level LBs and I think Sal is realizing that and having to settle for LBs that aren't quite as talented. Does that mean UT LB commits are terrible or that I don't think Sal can evaluate talent? No, it means I think Sal and UT's defensive staff are having to settle when it comes to LB recruiting. Everybody on here was talking about how Christian Harris was an underrated LB recruit and was going to surprise some people and he hasn't done anything yet. Given, he has plenty of time to do so, I just don't see it happening.

* I am ready for the bashing I am about to receive for this. *
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What did you anticipate he was going to do as a redshirt?
 
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I don't know about Banres and Vereen, but I am actually excited to see how Campbell and Zanca progress during this year. Campbell is 6'5/ 215 lbs. and runs a 4.5, he is bigger and faster than some elite WR's. Give him a year to add some good weight and still keep that speed, and your looking at a FREAK at the Jack position. Zanca is one to keep an eye on, Im telling ya. The kid was destroying elite competition in Florida playing linebacker as a sophomore. Coached asked him to play with is hand on the ground his junior season because of lack of depth. That may be why he has been over looked as a linebaker.

Plus I think were looking for that tweener for the olb position. We will try and pick up an inside baker, I think they are confident in the the guys they picked up last year. (King and Bynum) and guys that they currently have on roster.
 
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UTVOLKeith said:
so that's it basically what i thought.

very discouraging imo
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You are discouraged because recruiting sites disagree on LB talent evals with a guy who just coached on Bama's NC teams and with Jon Fox in the NFL?

Seems you'd be more concerned about trusting those sites.
 
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sjt18 said:
You are discouraged because recruiting sites disagree on LB talent evals with a guy who just coached on Bama's NC teams and with Jon Fox in the NFL?

Seems you'd be more concerned about trusting those sites.
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Some people just need a reason to whine. If we had 4 5 star LBs right now, he would be telling us that he wished our coaches would rely more on their own evaluations and less on those of Rivals and 247.
 
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flowd82 said:
All UT fans keep on with the "let's trust Sal's evaluations, UT coaches know way more about talent than you, etc." arguments. Obviously UT's coaches know more about evaluating talent than VN posters do, but that doesn't change the fact UT isn't getting elite LBs.
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+1

We need to be signing the guys where you don't have to be Coach Sal to tell that he's a stud. Me, the Rivals analysts, Coach Sal, and every coach in the country could've told you that Jadaveon Clowney and Trent Richardson were talented. That's the kind of players we need.

Now, Coach Sal can probably scout a guy like Zanca and see something in him that an amateur like me can't see, something that makes him better than the other 5.5s. But the whole class can't be guys that it takes a professional to tell you if they'll be any good or not.

All that to say, I'm not giving up on the class yet. Wins cure everything, and I think we'll be much more attractive to the top guys in November than we are now. Plus, Dooley showed last year that he'll recruit over the summer commits if he's able to. So I'm confident about where this class will end up. But I'm underwhelmed with it so far.
 
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flowd82 said:
ITT, lots of posters who are content with mediocrity.
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ND and FSU have been bringing in the highest rated players Rivals, ESPN, and 247 have to offer for years. Yet, their teams could not be more mediocre.

We're going to avoid mediocrity by trusting our own evaluations, not chasing the stars.
 
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I wouldn't say Im settling for mediocrity, just not ready to say that the kid doesn't deserve to wear the Power T on his helmet, before his senior season has even started. Its only June. If we are having this conversation in November or December (and we still don't have an impressive LB commit), than it would be a different story. Give the coaches and players some time.
 
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flowd82 said:
All UT fans keep on with the "let's trust Sal's evaluations, UT coaches know way more about talent than you, etc." arguments. Obviously UT's coaches know more about evaluating talent than VN posters do, but that doesn't change the fact UT isn't getting elite LBs.
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Did you eval them yourself so that you know this to be true?
UT is missing on the elite, high-level LBs and I think Sal is realizing that and having to settle for LBs that aren't quite as talented.
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Did he tell you this? It seems counterintuitive that he would "settle" more than 7 months before NSD. Do you really, honestly believe he has said to himself "None of the best players want to play for me"? If he would EVER say that then he has the wrong job in the wrong business.
 
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flowd82 said:
I agree with the OP.

LB recruiting hasn't been anything to brag about the last two cycles. Dooley did a great job landing Johnson and Maggit in the 2011 cycle, but last year's LB haul was not good. This year's doesn't look much better besides Vereen. I like his game.

All UT fans keep on with the "let's trust Sal's evaluations, UT coaches know way more about talent than you, etc." arguments. Obviously UT's coaches know more about evaluating talent than VN posters do, but that doesn't change the fact UT isn't getting elite LBs. UT is missing on the elite, high-level LBs and I think Sal is realizing that and having to settle for LBs that aren't quite as talented. Does that mean UT LB commits are terrible or that I don't think Sal can evaluate talent? No, it means I think Sal and UT's defensive staff are having to settle when it comes to LB recruiting. Everybody on here was talking about how Christian Harris was an underrated LB recruit and was going to surprise some people and he hasn't done anything yet. Given, he has plenty of time to do so, I just don't see it happening.

Besides Vereen, what offers do UT LB commits have? Campbell I don't believe has any, Barnes is holding down the fort with a Southern Miss and Furman offers, and I believe Zanca has a Purdue offer. That is really it. Given, they have the rest of the summer to go to camps and gain offers. But, I don't want UT to continually pick up LB recruits that are "underrated, under the radar type guys that other major colleges don't want anything to do with.

Maybe I am just greedy, but I would like UT to sign LBs that have offers from every major college across the country by the end of their junior year/begginning of summer before their senior season, NOT LBs that have 2 mid-major offers in July that have to try to go through camp circuits to get any more offers. I know every now and then some players do get overlooked and I understand that, but for the most part, the big-time studs don't get overlooked too often.

I want UT to be a winning football team again. I want UT to have kick-ass defenses again. Nothing personal, but I don't see UT winning championships again with the caliber of LBs currently committed. Just my opinion. I think Sal is good at evaluating talent, but at this point there aren't too many elite LBs knocking down the door. UT needs to win this year and surprise some people and then I think UT can quit settling for talent and start to pick up better talent.

* I am ready for the bashing I am about to receive for this. *
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Do you expect to recruit elite talent with a .500 record? That is a big problem in rebuilding. That's why it is going to take 4 to 5 years from where we started to build a championship team. We take a big jump in "stars" for 2013 if we win 9 to 10 games in 2012. Be patient or be prepared to start over again with a new staff. Not bashing. JMO
 
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Vol8188 said:
ND and FSU have been bringing in the highest rated players Rivals, ESPN, and 247 have to offer for years. Yet, their teams could not be more mediocre.

We're going to avoid mediocrity by trusting our own evaluations, not chasing the stars.
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What is your point? I said nothing about UT had to necessarily be recruting the highest rated players by the recruiting sites. I'm talking more about offer lists. Nobody else is offering the LBs committed to UT. The current successful programs in college football do not want UT's players. If you don't have a problem with that, then that is fine. No reason to get upset because someone is questioning it.
 
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volroadwarrior said:
Do you expect to recruit elite talent with a .500 record? That is a big problem in rebuilding. That's why it is going to take 4 to 5 years from where we started to build a championship team. We take a big jump in "stars" for 2013 if we win 9 to 10 games in 2012. Be patient or be prepared to start over again with a new staff. Not bashing. JMO
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I agree with everything you just said. UT has to start winning in order to start recruiting the studs again.

I think UT can very easily win 7-10 games next year. I am thinking 8 probably, maybe 9. That will go a long way in the rebuilding process.
 
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