2001 Citrus Bowl

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Just watched the Michigan beating again and realized that we are so many light years away from the talent we had 10 years ago. That is all. :crazy:
 
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NEW COACH said:
Just watched the Michigan beating again and realized that we are so many light years away from the talent we had 10 years ago. That is all. :crazy:
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Your absolutely right. Im not so sure that team wasnt better than the '98 team. Atleast on offense we were way better. No way we should have lost to LSU in the SEC Championship. That falls on the Coach's for not having them mentally ready after beating Florida the week before. We knocked Davey out and still lost to them. You could tell watching the LSU game our guys were not even close to being focused outside of Clausen. I think we could have beaten Miami that year or at the least made it one hell of a game. Me personally that was still the worst loss I can remember. I mean the skill players we had on that team was unreal. Hope we can get back to that very soon.
 
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Receivers- Parker, Washington, stallworth, Graham, witten, Lott

Rb- stephens

Qb- clausen

Dline- overstreet, Henderson, haynesworth

Secondary- baker, Greer
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I watched that game with a group of Michigan fans and never heard so many excuses in my life. When I said "look at that TE out running those DBs", that's when the **** hit the fan.
 
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We're not even close to that kind of talent yet. It was a disaster that team didn't win the Sec. Should of been undefeated heading into the big one. The lack of coaching and having your team ready to play cost us dearly. I just hope one day we can see that kind of talent on the field again.
 
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volroadwarrior said:
I watched that game with a group of Michigan fans and never heard so many excuses in my life. When I said "look at that TE out running those DBs", that's when the **** hit the fan.
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They should have never had any excuses, that game was never close. One of my favorite plays was the WR pass with Washington slinging it.
 
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Man, those were the days. Do you think we will ever get back to that kind of talent level and swagger?.............I don't know. That's my honest answer.
 
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"You cant spell Citrus without a U and a T"
I hate that man, but he has his moments...
 
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Fulmer was one hell of a recruiter, but he wasnt the best coach out there. All of the talent he had and to only make it to and win one NC was unreal. The SEC was nothing like it is now and there was no excuse for not being able to beat Florida atleast every other year and making it to only 1 NC game. It wasnt like we started the years outside the top 25 and had to work our way up. But losing to Florida every year,Memphis 1 year,S.Carolina and Tanneyhill 1 year and several others was just uncalled for and never should happen.
 
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Fulmer = HC
Cutcliffe = OC
Chavis = DC (except against UF)

That's was a great combination. Cutcliffe was the most important IMO.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
Your absolutely right. Im not so sure that team wasnt better than the '98 team. Atleast on offense we were way better. No way we should have lost to LSU in the SEC Championship. That falls on the Coach's for not having them mentally ready after beating Florida the week before. We knocked Davey out and still lost to them. You could tell watching the LSU game our guys were not even close to being focused outside of Clausen. I think we could have beaten Miami that year or at the least made it one hell of a game. Me personally that was still the worst loss I can remember. I mean the skill players we had on that team was unreal. Hope we can get back to that very soon.
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And if you'd carried that belief onto picking fantasy drafts for the NFL, you'd have got reamed every year. You, like most UT fans during that era, missed the talent on the LSU team, missed the talent on that Miami team and undervalue the talent on the 1998 Tennessee team. The 2001 Tennessee team wasn't close to the 1998 team or that Miami team, was less talented than LSU or Florida or Georgia, and wasn't that far ahead talent-wise of Michigan in 2001.

Skill players to make the league or all-SEC off the 2001 rosters

QB/RB/WR/TE/LT
LSU: 10
Miami: 8
Tennessee: 5
 
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VegasVol said:
And if you'd carried that belief onto picking fantasy drafts for the NFL, you'd have got reamed every year. You, like most UT fans during that era, missed the talent on the LSU team, missed the talent on that Miami team and undervalue the talent on the 1998 Tennessee team. The 2001 Tennessee team wasn't close to the 1998 team or that Miami team, was less talented than LSU or Florida or Georgia, and wasn't that far ahead talent-wise of Michigan in 2001.

Skill players to make the league or all-SEC off the 2001 rosters

QB/RB/WR/TE/LT
LSU: 10
Miami: 8
Tennessee: 5
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Well thankyou for that bit of info. Are you basing it off players from the 2001 class or the overall roster of all those teams? I mean when played them was there freshman that later became contributors but werent that year? I mean truely you cant base it off that. Just from watching the '98 team and 2001 team the 2001 was much more explosive. We also had guys like Stallworth who missed good parts of that year. I will say the '98 team had the better defense though. '98 had the better RB's with Lewis and Henry even though Jamal was hurt. Plus I didnt know this was a fantasy draft. If I had known that I would have definately closely monitored the rosters and who made it to the league. We had a better team than LSU in 2001 and did everything we could to lose the game and did.And also I didnt say 2001 was better than '98 I just said it was possible. But on Offense it was better and on defense '98 was better. some people can just absolutely ruin a simple and fun discussion. Unreal..
 
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jasonvol18 said:
Well thankyou for that bit of info. Are you basing it off players from the 2001 class or the overall roster of all those teams? I mean when played them was there freshman that later became contributors but werent that year? I mean truely you cant base it off that.
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Here's who said LSU had more talent that year:
1. Recruiting analysts, who had ranked LSU's talent above ours going into the season;
2. Coaches, who voted more LSU players all-SEC than Tennessee players;
3. Media, who voted more LSU players all-SEC than Tennessee players;
4. NFL GMs who signed more LSU players than Tennessee players off that roster, whether measured by starters, or 2-deep players, or roster players from 2001;
5. NFL coaches and peers, who have played more LSU players and given more honors to LSU players from that roster than ours, whether measured by starters, 2-deep players or roster players.

LSU was undervalued that season for three reasons: 1) Saban's erraticsm against wide-open passing attacks despite having the most talented defense in the league; 2) LSU's relative quiet position in the national discussion for most of the decade prior; and 3) Saban having an erratic track record as Michigan State pre-LSU.
 
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VegasVol said:
Here's who said LSU had more talent that year:
1. Recruiting analysts, who had ranked LSU's talent above ours going into the season;
2. Coaches, who voted more LSU players all-SEC than Tennessee players;
3. Media, who voted more LSU players all-SEC than Tennessee players;
4. NFL GMs who signed more LSU players than Tennessee players off that roster, whether measured by starters, or 2-deep players, or roster players from 2001;
5. NFL coaches and peers, who have played more LSU players and given more honors to LSU players from that roster than ours, whether measured by starters, 2-deep players or roster players.

LSU was undervalued that season for three reasons: 1) Saban's erraticsm against wide-open passing attacks despite having the most talented defense in the league; 2) LSU's relative quiet position in the national discussion for most of the decade prior; and 3) Saban having an erratic track record as Michigan State pre-LSU.
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:eek:lol:...ok..I think I will stick with we had the better team and without a total lack of focus we would have won. Just my opinion though. I am sure you have yours and from an obvious LSU fan i am sure it differs.
 
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VegasVol said:
Here's who said LSU had more talent that year:
1. Recruiting analysts, who had ranked LSU's talent above ours going into the season;
2. Coaches, who voted more LSU players all-SEC than Tennessee players;
3. Media, who voted more LSU players all-SEC than Tennessee players;
4. NFL GMs who signed more LSU players than Tennessee players off that roster, whether measured by starters, or 2-deep players, or roster players from 2001;
5. NFL coaches and peers, who have played more LSU players and given more honors to LSU players from that roster than ours, whether measured by starters, 2-deep players or roster players.

LSU was undervalued that season for three reasons: 1) Saban's erraticsm against wide-open passing attacks despite having the most talented defense in the league; 2) LSU's relative quiet position in the national discussion for most of the decade prior; and 3) Saban having an erratic track record as Michigan State pre-LSU.
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Oh and one last thing. just because a team has more players voted onto some preseason team it doesnt make them better. You know that right? Now i will say Saban is and will always be the better coach of the 2.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
Oh and one last thing. just because a team has more players voted onto some preseason team it doesnt make them better. You know that right? Now i will say Saban is and will always be the better coach of the 2.
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That was the post-season 2001 all-SEC team that had more LSU players than Tennessee, not the pre-season.
 
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VegasVol said:
Here's who said LSU had more talent that year:
1. Recruiting analysts, who had ranked LSU's talent above ours going into the season;
2. Coaches, who voted more LSU players all-SEC than Tennessee players;
3. Media, who voted more LSU players all-SEC than Tennessee players;
4. NFL GMs who signed more LSU players than Tennessee players off that roster, whether measured by starters, or 2-deep players, or roster players from 2001;
5. NFL coaches and peers, who have played more LSU players and given more honors to LSU players from that roster than ours, whether measured by starters, 2-deep players or roster players.

LSU was undervalued that season for three reasons: 1) Saban's erraticsm against wide-open passing attacks despite having the most talented defense in the league; 2) LSU's relative quiet position in the national discussion for most of the decade prior; and 3) Saban having an erratic track record as Michigan State pre-LSU.
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Never seen you back this up, but I will list the Vols players that got signed by GMs.

1. Witten
2. Burnett
3. Stallworth
4. Jones
5. Henderson
6. Haynesworth
7. Weary
8. Overstreet
9. Stephens
10. Lott
11. Coleman
12. Gaines
13. Stevenson
14. Moore
15. Washington
16. Battle
17. Franklin
18. Whiteside
19. Moore
20. Veal
21. Wilson
22. Fleming
23. Wells
24. Houston
25. Colquitt


Would love to see LSU's list.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
:eek:lol:...ok..I think I will stick with we had the better team and without a total lack of focus we would have won. Just my opinion though. I am sure you have yours and from an obvious LSU fan i am sure it differs.
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Just step back and thing about it. Putting fandom aside, if you were hand-picking a roster...

1. Would you rather have Rohan Davey & Matt Mauck (both would be all-SEC) or Casey Clausen?

2. Would you rather have Domanick Williams & Toefield or Travis Stephens?

3. Would you rather have Josh Reed, Michael Clayton, Devery Henderson, Robert Royal, Eric Edwards, Domanick Williams and Toefield to catch passes or Stallworth, Washington, Witten, Parker, Graham, Stephens and Bartholomew?

The first two would be easily LSU; the third would be closer, but still favor LSU. Collectively, it's an easy choice in favor of LSU.
 
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