Preemptive Grammys Gay Marriage Thread

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DinkinFlicka said:
A little too defensive, IMO.
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Not defensive dink. Just aggravated. The blacks folks that came over yesterday and hung out with me, to help prep a 1200 square foot house I'm giving to a needy family would disagree with the fact that the white man (Christian too) keeps them down or has kept them down. Of course he believes in personal responsibility.
 
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You could sort of see them leading up to this sort of thing. The show certainly had a pro-gay theme to it all night. I certainly wasn't expecting a mass wedding, though. I think they tried a little too hard.
 
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Obsessed said:
When are the Grammys having a wedding for straight couples?
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I mentioned this in another thread, but there were both straight and gay couples married during the performance, and multiple ethnicities. It went well with the theme of the song, imo. The song Same Love is about how we're all very much alike and deserving of equal treatment. Yes, he's obviously advocating for gay marriage, but the message is actually farther reaching, imo. That's why there weren't only gay couples marrying, it was a diverse group and that was the point. It shouldn't be about straight marriage or gay marriage or interracial marriage, it should just be about love and marriage.

I found it very moving.
 
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gcbvol said:
I mentioned this in another thread, but there were both straight and gay couples married during the performance, and multiple ethnicities. It went well with the theme of the song, imo. The song Same Love is about how we're all very much alike and deserving of equal treatment. Yes, he's abviously advocating for gay marriage, but the message is actually farther reaching, imo. That's why there weren't only gay couples marrying, it was a diverse group and that was the point. It shouldn't be about straight marriage or gay marriage or interracial marriage, it should just be about love and marriage.

I found it very moving.
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I'm glad you found it moving.

My problem is : why now?

You and I both know the only reason the straight couples were there was to say " but we had straight couples too"
Ethnicity is moot to me.
 
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Obsessed said:
I'm glad you found it moving.

My problem is : why now?

You and I both know the only reason the straight couples were there was to say " but we had straight couples too"
Ethnicity is moot to me.
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Exactly. The straight/ same race couples were the "tokens" of this event.
 
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gcbvol said:
I mentioned this in another thread, but there were both straight and gay couples married during the performance, and multiple ethnicities. It went well with the theme of the song, imo. The song Same Love is about how we're all very much alike and deserving of equal treatment. Yes, he's abviously advocating for gay marriage, but the message is actually farther reaching, imo. That's why there weren't only gay couples marrying, it was a diverse group and that was the point. It shouldn't be about straight marriage or gay marriage or interracial marriage, it should just be about love and marriage.

I found it very moving.
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I suppose that's all good & everything & gave the folks who care a nice warm & fuzzy feeling. I watched Ax Men last night on the history channel. It's about rough & tough men working in the logging business.
 
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gcbvol said:
I mentioned this in another thread, but there were both straight and gay couples married during the performance, and multiple ethnicities. It went well with the theme of the song, imo. The song Same Love is about how we're all very much alike and deserving of equal treatment. Yes, he's abviously advocating for gay marriage, but the message is actually farther reaching, imo. That's why there weren't only gay couples marrying, it was a diverse group and that was the point. It shouldn't be about straight marriage or gay marriage or interracial marriage, it should just be about love and marriage.

I found it very moving.
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My socially liberal side agrees with you. My libertarian side says government should be out of the marriage business and into the business of recognizing partnerships for the purpose of taxes and inheritance. Marriage should be left up to the religious institutions and they should be free to say who they want to marry and who they don't want to marry. For example, my father, an Episcopal Priest won't marry a couple that is living together, or a couple that hasn't gone through pre-marital counseling. His church, his rules, I'm good with that.
 
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Obsessed said:
I'm glad you found it moving.

My problem is : why now?

You and I both know the only reason the straight couples were there was to say " but we had straight couples too"
Ethnicity is moot to me.
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My response is that it is all about perspective. I absolutely don't know that straight couples were just an add on to 'soften' the whole thing. Gay, straight, interracial and varying ages were included specifically to make the point we're all equal, the same. When you take that along with the message of the song it was a beautiful thing.

Some folks (not you) obviously don't care much for gay people or anything gay-related, so of course will have a much different perspective on the whole thing.

Also, let's not forget these shows are about big, sometimes over the top performances. Not very surprising they did it on that stage especially given the theme of the performance.
 
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YorkVol said:
My socially liberal side agrees with you. My libertarian side says government should be out of the marriage business and into the business of recognizing partnerships for the purpose of taxes and inheritance. Marriage should be left up to the religious institutions and they should be free to say who they want to marry and who they don't want to marry. For example, my father, an Episcopal Priest won't marry a couple that is living together, or a couple that hasn't gone through pre-marital counseling. His church, his rules, I'm good with that.
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I agree with this. Ideally, government should use a universal civil union to ascribe benefits and leave holy matrimony to religious institutions. For whatever reason(s) that does not appear an avenue many want to pursue. Probably because that would be a huge governmental change required of politicians that struggle at getting anything done. It seems to be marriage or bust.
 
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Regulator said:
Sadly, there are probably those of you that feel you have failed on the issues of slavery and race inequality.
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Absurd. First of all, there is only one race, the human race. Ethnicity is a sacred part of one's being. Sexuality is not. What one chooses to do with their sex organs is ALWAYS a choicem regardless of their proclivities.
The question then becomes, why should the state sanction ANY marriage in the first place? The state is not interested in love, feelings, sex, etc. The state benefits because traditional marriage is the foundation of a strong society. It promotes a proper environment to raise healthy and law abiding citizens. And that is done best with a mother and father.

No fault divorce has done more damage to the institution than many care to realize. And with state endorsed same sex marriage, it will only serve to further erode this institution. Children suffer when traditional marriage suffers. Anything that seeks to dilute how that is defined is only asking for further decay of the foundations of this society.

Yes, some couples never hav children, but this is the exception rather than the rule. The stats more than verify what I'm speaking to here.
 
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Obsessed said:
Not defensive dink. Just aggravated. The blacks folks that came over yesterday and hung out with me, to help prep a 1200 square foot house I'm giving to a needy family would disagree with the fact that the white man (Christian too) keeps them down or has kept them down. Of course he believes in personal responsibility.
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Yeah not defensive at all.
 
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