Republicans Belief in Evolution plummets

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Roustabout said:
Bart, Percy is antitheist who wholly embraces a naturalistic worldview.

FWIW, earlier in this thread I linked peer reviewed research that does challenge conventional descent with modification.
Keep in mind the other side of the coin when speaking of what Darwin didn't know. Take the fact that the entire fabric of biology is woven with a code that works much like a computer language.
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I'm new here and there's a lot of crap in this thread so I'm not sifting through all of it. Please tell me this isn't the "peer reviewed research" you're referring to:

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Sorry. Typo. Page 13
Here's the link.

CSC - Peer-Reviewed & Peer-Edited Scientific Publications Supporting the Theory of Intelligent Design (Annotated)
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The Discovery Institute :rofl:
 
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Septic said:
DNA could have evolved gradually from a simpler replicator; RNA is a likely candidate, since it can catalyze its own duplication (Jeffares et al. 1998; Leipe et al. 1999; Poole et al. 1998). The RNA itself could have had simpler precursors, such as peptide nucleic acids (Böhler et al. 1995). A deoxyribozyme can both catalyze its own replication and function to cleave RNA -- all without any protein enzymes (Levy and Ellington 2003).

Böhler, C., P. E. Nielsen, and L. E. Orgel. 1995. Template switching between PNA and RNA oligonucleotides. Nature 376: 578-581. See also: Piccirilli, J. A., 1995. RNA seeks its maker. Nature 376: 548-549.
Jeffares, D. C., A. M. Poole and D. Penny. 1998. Relics from the RNA world. Journal of Molecular Evolution 46: 18-36.
Leipe, D. D., L. Aravind, and E. V. Koonin. 1999. Did DNA replication evolve twice independently? Nucleic Acids Research 27: 3389-3401.
Levy, Matthew and Andrew D. Ellington. 2003. Exponential growth by cross-catalytic cleavage of deoxyribozymogens. Proceedings of the National Academy of Science USA 100(11): 6416-6421.
Poole, A. M., D. C. Jeffares, and D. Penny. 1998. The path from the RNA world. Journal of Molecular Evolution 46: 1-17.
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Where did the matter that makes up RNA come from?
 
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Septic said:
It can't be done.

It makes me wonder though. Who would win in a no holds barred, scrap to the death cage match between Jesus the carpenter and a velociraptor.

On one hand you've got magic but on the other, you've got a vicious carnivorous killing machine.
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That depends on a couple of things:

Are we talking an actual raptor or a Spielberg raptor? Because one is much larger than the other for the sake of cinema.

Just one raptor? Or a group?

Is Jesus armed with a loaf of bread or Judas' last supper knife?

Will Vegas have odds on it?
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
That depends on a couple of things:

Are we talking an actual raptor or a Spielberg raptor? Because one is much larger than the other for the sake of cinema.

Just one raptor? Or a group?

Is Jesus armed with a loaf of bread or Judas' last supper knife?

Will Vegas have odds on it?
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Hmm. The questions you put forth are worthy questions, indeed.

1. How about we call it Jesus versus Jesus's weight in velociraptors (assuming Jesus was 180 lbs. we'll call it 6 raptors)

2. Due to the sake of fairness, we can allow for Jesus to have one loaf of bread, one last supper butter knife, a burning bush and one hand tool of his choosing from his biblical wood carpenters tool shop.

3. Because Vegas has never tried handicapping a caged, no holds barred death match such as this, one may assume an opening line of 'even odds' (pick em') or possibly even slightly tipped in the raptors favor.
 
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What about a debate between Jesus and philosoraptor?

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VOLatile said:
RNA is a compound of ribose sugar and carbons 1 through 5.

Ribose is C5H10O5. Carbon, Hydrogen, and Oxygen are all naturally occurring elements in the universe.
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But where did that come from? I want to know where the earliest building block of life and matter come from. Something cannot be created from nothing.
 
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You guys can scoff at believers all you want...the bottim line is you can place all the "building blocks" of life in optimal conditions for. Them to properly align and hit your "primordial soup" with every possible catalyst known to man..and you'll have soup. Not life..ever.
Only God can give life, or take it away. Its been tried countless times and will never succeed. Ever. I love science. Always have, always will. Its the best understanding we have of our surroundings at any given time. The wisest thoughts of man, however, are foolishness in the eyes of God. I was once adamant about Him not existing. Then the truth was revealed to me. I hope each and every one of you has a revelation in your life. Seek Him and you will find Him. Keep focusing only on the man in the mirror and you never will. It really is that simple.
 
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BartW said:
I'm new here and there's a lot of crap in this thread so I'm not sifting through all of it. Please tell me this isn't the "peer reviewed research" you're referring to:



The Discovery Institute :rofl:
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Bart. Your responses are going downhill. If the KKK had a link to legitimate peer reviewed research it wouldnt falsify the research. You are not dealing with the science but resorting to attacks in an attempt to contaminate the discussion.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
You guys can scoff at believers all you want...the bottim line is you can place all the "building blocks" of life in optimal conditions for. Them to properly align and hit your "primordial soup" with every possible catalyst known to man..and you'll have soup. Not life..ever.
Only God can give life, or take it away. Its been tried countless times and will never succeed. Ever. I love science. Always have, always will. Its the best understanding we have of our surroundings at any given time. The wisest thoughts of man, however, are foolishness in the eyes of God. I was once adamant about Him not existing. Then the truth was revealed to me. I hope each and every one of you has a revelation in your life. Seek Him and you will find Him. Keep focusing only on the man in the mirror and you never will. It really is that simple.
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It sounds like your entire reason for believing in god is ignorance. Just because modern science has not proven these things to your standards, does not mean they have supernatural origins.

Makes me thinks of pagans. They didn't know why some women couldn't have babies, so they made up a fertility god. They didn't know why just about anything happened, so they had a god for it.

Now the only thing religion clings to is a "creator god".
 
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Vol8188 said:
It sounds like your entire reason for believing in god is ignorance. Just because modern science has not proven these things to your standards, does not mean they have supernatural origins.

Makes me thinks of pagans. They didn't know why some women couldn't have babies, so they made up a fertility god. They didn't know why just about anything happened, so they had a god for it.

Now the only thing religion clings to is a "creator god".
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Your convictions for disproving a deity exists are likewise ignorant. The bottom line is no one knows. That's why religion is based in faith. You don't have to see to believe. Once science can prove that something can be created from nothing you may have more of a basis for your convictions.
 
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Roustabout said:
Bart. Your responses are going downhill. If the KKK had a link to legitimate peer reviewed research it wouldnt falsify the research. You are not dealing with the science but resorting to attacks in an attempt to contaminate the discussion.
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If the KKK had a link to "research" funded by a KKK thinktank performed by KKK members, I would dismiss it just as readily. The Discovery Institute's unscientific conservative christian motives have been public since the Wedge Document was leaked in the 90s. They've been trying to get religion back in the classroom through their "equal time" movement, which was redisguised as "creation science" and then "intelligent design" and now "teach the controversy" as each attempt has been ruled in court to be unscientific and in violation of the establishment clause.

But besides the organization being a big fraud, here are some reasons nobody takes the "research" seriously.

Sorry Roust I didn't mean to antagonize or contaminate, but you are not dealing with the science if you cite the Discovery Institute.
 
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SergeantVol said:
Your convictions for disproving a deity exists are likewise ignorant. The bottom line is no one knows. That's why religion is based in faith. You don't have to see to believe. Once science can prove that something can be created from nothing you may have more of a basis for your convictions.
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Wow great post. :good!:
 
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SergeantVol said:
Your convictions for disproving a deity exists are likewise ignorant. The bottom line is no one knows. That's why religion is based in faith. You don't have to see to believe. Once science can prove that something can be created from nothing you may have more of a basis for your convictions.
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If something can't come from nothing, which I believe has been disproven (hawking radiation) - does that mean God came from nothing? Do you see the conundrum here? The infinite regression?

Simply claiming god is eternal does not satisfy the argument in any intellectually honest reasononing. Either something can or it can't. Citing faith is an excuse to stop looking for answers.
 
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Septic said:
Hmm. The questions you put forth are worthy questions, indeed.

1. How about we call it Jesus versus Jesus's weight in velociraptors (assuming Jesus was 180 lbs. we'll call it 6 raptors)

2. Due to the sake of fairness, we can allow for Jesus to have one loaf of bread, one last supper butter knife, a burning bush and one hand tool of his choosing from his biblical wood carpenters tool shop.

3. Because Vegas has never tried handicapping a caged, no holds barred death match such as this, one may assume an opening line of 'even odds' (pick em') or possibly even slightly tipped in the raptors favor.
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You could at least be fair and give Jesus a sharp knife :)
 
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SergeantVol said:
Your convictions for disproving a deity exists are likewise ignorant. The bottom line is no one knows. That's why religion is based in faith. You don't have to see to believe. Once science can prove that something can be created from nothing you may have more of a basis for your convictions.
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You are aware that it's impossible to disprove god, just like its impossible to disprove Santa? If you disagree, you're more than welcome to try and disprove Santa to me.

That's why there's still people in the world looking for big foot.
 
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Roustabout said:
Bart. Your responses are going downhill. If the KKK had a link to legitimate peer reviewed research it wouldnt falsify the research. You are not dealing with the science but resorting to attacks in an attempt to contaminate the discussion.
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I'd never heard of the Discovery Institute before today, after reading up on them, it's pretty obvious why. Da-fuq Roustabout, citing these guys is as bad as looking to Dr. Hovind for tax advice.

You're better than this...
 
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Septic said:
If something can't come from nothing, which I believe has been disproven (hawking radiation) - does that mean God came from nothing? Do you see the conundrum here? The infinite regression?

Simply claiming god is eternal does not satisfy the argument in any intellectually honest reasononing. Either something can or it can't. Citing faith is an excuse to stop looking for answers.
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Hawking radiation actually takes mass away from black holes, it doesn't violate conservation of energy. But I agree with your main point. We may never know where the universe came from but for many people that's not a reason to believe in a god
 
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Septic said:
If something can't come from nothing, which I believe has been disproven (hawking radiation) - does that mean God came from nothing? Do you see the conundrum here? The infinite regression?

Simply claiming god is eternal does not satisfy the argument in any intellectually honest reasononing. Either something can or it can't. Citing faith is an excuse to stop looking for answers.
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I am only claiming that no one knows. To dismiss any possibilities is ignorant until it is disproven.
 
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Vol8188 said:
You are aware that it's impossible to disprove god, just like its impossible to disprove Santa? If you disagree, you're more than welcome to try and disprove Santa to me.

That's why there's still people in the world looking for big foot.
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Is science not based on theories that examine the possible? There are infinite possibilities to many scientific theories that have not been proven but the scientific community believes it based on faith because the argument seems logical. All I am saying is that it is not outside of the realm of possibilities that a supreme deity or deities exist. There is much that we do not know whether it is based in science or religion. We have only begun to tap the infinite possibilities that exist in this world.
 
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