Republicans Belief in Evolution plummets

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Roustabout said:
Dude, I already addressed this with you. You are attacking divine command theory, which I do not ascribe to. The argument for OM can be made without any reference to the Bible. it's an ontological argument. Aristotle, and brilliant thinkers who lived before Christ, and were not influenced by the OT were making these arguments. You are being petty and prejudicial. When you don't like the way things are going you make faulty emotional appeals, attack strawmen, elephant hurl, and do anything to derail the focus of the argument.

Also, if you want a detailed explanation of the difficulties in the Bible, (Slavery, etc.) then may I recommend Paul Copan's book, Is God a Moral Monster. It is thorough and doesn't dodge any hard question.
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That's odd because god seems to command a lot if murders in the bible. You no longer believe this happens?
 
#805
#805
Roustabout said:
Dude, I already addressed this with you. You are attacking divine command theory, which I do not ascribe to. The argument for OM can be made without any reference to the Bible. it's an ontological argument. Aristotle, and brilliant thinkers who lived before Christ,and were not influenced by the OT were making these arguments. You are being petty and prejudicial. When you don't like the way things are going you make faulty emotional appeals, attack strawmen, elephant hurl, and do anything to derail the focus of the argument.

Also, if you want a detailed explanation of the difficulties in the Bible, (Slavery, etc.) then may I recommend Paul Copan's book, Is God a Moral Monster. It is thorough and doesn't dodge any hard question.
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Huh?
 
#806
#806
W.TN.Orange Blood said:
:banghead2: 8188 is apparently hung up on the OT of God's Laws & doesn't understand what that was all about because he keeps asking about the OT in circles.
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If you guys could also explain why Moses tells his people to keep all the virgins slaves that they captured from Midiniates, that would be great.
 
#807
#807
Vol8188 said:
We've not spoke about this. Please justify Joshua's killing of every man, woman, and child and Canaan
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Read my edit, written as you posted.

Note that I'm not very interested in your every tangential diversion. I am speaking to the fallacious comment that Christians would "hear from God" and kill people in His name. It won't happen. If someone "hears from God" to kill people, it will be against his express command in the NT, given to direct the church.
 
#808
#808
Orange_Crush said:
Read my edit, written as you posted.

Note that I'm not very interested in your every tangential diversion. I am speaking to the fallacious comment that Christians would "hear from God" and kill people in His name. It won't happen. If someone "hears from God" to kill people, it will be against his express command in the NT, given to direct the church.
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So killing people was cool, but now it's not? Why? Your perfect god changes his own rules, why?

And what about raping virgin slaves, was that too only cool under the law?
 
#809
#809
Vol8188 said:
If you guys could also explain why Moses tells his people to keep all the virgins slaves that they captured from Midiniates, that would be great.
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I don't think you read any replies. You just ask the same questions that you have already asked. Go read the OT for yourself & find the answers to your questions & stop playing the game of idiot. You're a smart little boy & you can find answers to your own questions in the OT just like anybody else.
 
#810
#810
Vol8188 said:
So killing people was cool, but now it's not? Why? Your perfect god changes his own rules, why?

And what about raping virgin slaves, was that too only cool under the law?
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You are being purposefully dense.

Where did Moses say to rape virgins. I know the scripture you are referencing and it says nothing about raping anyone. You are building a case on faulty inference.
 
#811
#811
W.TN.Orange Blood said:
I don't think you read any replies. You just ask the same questions that you have already asked. Go read the OT for yourself & find the answers to your questions & stop playing the game of idiot. You're a smart little boy & you can find answers to your own questions in the OT just like anybody else.
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I've read all your posts, I've found no answers.

Please tell my why your god is cool with rape.
 
#813
#813
Orange_Crush said:
You are inventing things. It is petty and not a very good way to seek dialog with others.
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I do agree that the bible was made up, but not by me. Read Numbers 31 or the book of Joshua or yourself.

God specifically orders all of the Canaanites to be destroyed. And Moses orders his men to keep all the slave girls for themselves in Numbers.
 
#814
#814
Vol8188 said:
I do agree that the bible was made up, but not by me. Read Numbers 31 or the book of Joshua or yourself.

God specifically orders all of the Canaanites to be destroyed. And Moses orders his men to keep all the slave girls for themselves in Numbers.
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Yes He did, and yes he did.

You'll notice that God didn't tell Moses to tell them that concerning the slave girls. And Moses never told them to rape the slave girls. In Leviticus, Moses gave them the law that prohibited rape of any kind, including slaves.

Like I said. You are an inventor.
 
#815
#815
Vol8188 said:
I've read all your posts, I've found no answers.

Please tell my why your god is cool with rape.
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I've given answers that go over your little head. Tell me why you keep playing the game of idiot & why this & why that while putting no honest answers to anything supportive of your views but diversions.
 
#817
#817
Vol8188 said:
That's odd because god seems to command a lot if murders in the bible. You no longer believe this happens?
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God has never commanded a murder in the Bible, unless you are using your own definition of the word murder. Murder is one human taking another's life with malicious intent.

Again, you can't stay on topic. YOu don't like where the discussion is going so you throw out a different objection.

What about slavery in the Bible? What about God telling such and such to wipe out?
It's a red herring. Example: we are discussing a topic, challenging your view and discrediting your position, so instead of dealing with this, you throw out a completely unrelated objection. "Well, what about..............?"

You havent demonstrated to have any sincere desire for any previous explanations. Why would I think that you have any desire for an explanation on this subject? I hope you realize that you are following a predictable pattern, which demonstrates you aren't a free thinker. You've picked up talking points and you are just trying to one up somebody. It's pathetic really.
 
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#818
#818
Orange_Crush said:
Yes He did, and yes he did.

You'll notice that God didn't tell Moses to tell them that concerning the slave girls. And Moses never told them to rape the slave girls. In Leviticus, Moses gave them the law that prohibited rape of any kind, including slaves.

Like I said. You are an inventor.
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Even if your god didn't support, which he never specifically punished them for this act like he did others; how do you defend baby murder by Joshua? Which was ordered by god.
 
#819
#819
Vol8188 said:
I do agree that the bible was made up, but not by me. Read Numbers 31 or the book of Joshua or yourself.

God specifically orders all of the Canaanites to be destroyed. And Moses orders his men to keep all the slave girls for themselves in Numbers.
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:) There's that OT problem with God he has again.
 
#820
#820
W.TN.Orange Blood said:
I've given answers that go over your little head. Tell me why you keep playing the game of idiot & why this & why that while putting no honest answers to anything supportive of your views but diversions.
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I will not say that 8188 is incapable of thinking for himself, but I will say that he doesn't seem to do so in some areas. All he knows how to do is repeat snatches from the skeptic's annotated Bible in an effort to reinforce his beliefs. The skeptic's Bible can only build cases of inference, with a lot of "must haves" thrown in there.

The problem is, as I showed in brief by the reference to Genesis 15, they are not wrestling with this and seeking to find what actually happened. They are just looking for something convenient and shiny to poison the well.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Even if your god didn't support, which he never specifically punished them for this act like he did others; how do you defend baby murder by Joshua? Which was ordered by god.
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Again, I've offered you a book that deals with this and every other difficulty in the Bible. Hell, I'll buy it for you if you like.

FWIW, the OT includes terrible things, difficult things that trouble me. I don't have a problem admitting that. But I also understand that how God was dealing with Israel and it's wicked neighbors has a context that I must be willing to look at from a proper perspective. Having done so, it is a challenge I'm glad I took. But again, you've already demonstrated that you aren't interested in answers. You've made up your mind.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Even if your god didn't support, which he never specifically punished them for this act like he did others; how do you defend baby murder by Joshua? Which was ordered by god.
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Fair is fair. First, you need to turn around and work out that "square circle" I asked you to earlier. Remember the question about your relative morality? How can you say it would have been wrong for Him to do so? I'm not very interested in feeding your diversions, so take care of that one, and we'll continue from there.
 
#823
#823
Vol8188 said:
he never specifically punished them for this act like he did others;
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Do you know this? Was there anything to be punished for? Did rape occur? If there had, how would you have Him punish them? Has he specifically punished you yet for your sinful lifestyle? Being a sinful person, do you really want quick justice? The Bible says that God is long-suffering, giving people time to repent and find forgiveness.

Being a sinful person, will you repent and find forgiveness by turning to Him?
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Fair is fair. First, you need to turn around and work out that "square circle" I asked you to earlier. Remember the question about your relative morality? How can you say it would have been wrong for Him to do so? I'm not very interested in feeding your diversions, so take care of that one, and we'll continue from there.
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Morality being relative does not mean that all aspects of morality are up or debate. Baby murder is one of those absolutes.

Unless of course, those little gentile babies provoked your god. Kinda like the little children that seduce priests.

And I do not deny that some aspects of morality are relative. But I would not compromise my own personal values for those of any religion. Which is what confuses me about you. I assume you to be as outraged as I am when someone commits a horrible act in the name of their religion.

Yet you allow your religion to entirely dictate your morality, therefore you share a very common bond with those who blow up abortion clinics and fly planes into buildings.
 
#825
#825
Orange_Crush said:
Do you know this? Was there anything to be punished for? Did rape occur? If there had, how would you have Him punish them? Has he specifically punished you yet for your sinful lifestyle? Being a sinful person, do you really want quick justice? The Bible says that God is long-suffering, giving people time to repent and find forgiveness.

Being a sinful person, will you repent and find forgiveness by turning to Him?
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You know he want respond with an honest answer but only come back and ask why is there an Easter Bunny that's pink?
 
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