Mo Couch explains the money situation...

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man everyone on here must live life perfect, saying that he shouldnt had a kid or wife, that she should work, this that and the other. Ya'll must have planned your life before it happened and everything worked out perfectly. I think he couldve taken a different avenue, but leave it alone. Theres much worse going on in college money transactions than what he did. Rule is dumb. Especially when it didnt come from the university. and people saying he should work while earning his 4 year degree and taking care of his kids and playing football. Has it been done. Sure. Can anyone and everyone pull off that workload. Hell no. Im in college for electrical engineering and working with a fiance. Theres no way I could do all that. My grades would fall. and no one knows the details of how he came to getting this money, someone obviously advised him to not quit the football team and leave to go back to kansas, your family will have food, so one day you will not be broke and you might be playing in the NFL. He's a young man just like I am in college, and I dont think one person on this forum never has made a mistake.
 
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When Mo Couch committed to Tennessee, it was a huge boost. I'm glad he came. Regretting what happened does not mean that I have any judgment against him. As far as I'm concerned, Tennessee should always be Home Sweet Home for Mo.
 
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bleedorange1983 said:
I don't blame him for his decision. Now Bray on the other hand....
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Exactly! family is first...way before football. Couch is a better man for putting his family first. Bray on the other hand, lived as if he was already in the NFL when he was a junior at UT. He had a big arm, was accurate....yadayada. He was and is a punk. Not only did get darn near whatever UT could legally(ncaa) give him, he was taking money and whatever else on the side. Then, this little girl made comments during combine.....that he is gaining weight because he has more to eat than just Taco Bell. He's a punk and shouldn't even be in the same discussion as Mo Couch. Tyler Bray, hopefully, will never consider himself a VFL or happen to fall off into Neyland to get any kind of recognition as a Vol. Bad kid with a great arm.
 
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I don't blame him one bit. If it was as bad as he says and he knew he was going to run the risk of getting caught, he should have gotten a lot more than $1300 to take care of his family. He should have gotten at least $5,000. At least then he would have his family taken care of for a while.
 
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SDV said:
This is harsh, but he knew it was wrong and still did it and jeopardized our entire program over $1,300. He should've quit football and got a job if it were that bad
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Actually, he should have been able to be a student athlete who happened to be married. He also should have been able to have access to more resources for students with dependents. Some of us have been full time students with children and had to struggle to make ends meets while working and barely made it. The goal is to do better so you can provide for your family and football and an education was that goal. But obviously the genius that you are couldn't relate. Most trust fund babies can't.
 
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fade route said:
BS - no one forced him to get married and have a child while still being a student. There are also many players on the D1 level that are either married, have a child, or both and are not breaking the rules like Mo did.
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You don't know what those athletes are doing. They're getting money. But of course you have the inside track on all married student athlete in college sports. #trustfundbaby
 
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bamawriter said:
The former Bama player, Luther Davis, is now a runner for an agent. Someone who used to work at the agency leaked the story.
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With the DJ Fluker stuff in the air, you would know all the details. Always with Bama fans, the person who leaks the info it out, is the one that is corrupt. Like the Memphis deal...etc.
 
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I played football and ran track for 3 years in college so I understand the time limitations that being an NCAA student/athlete can put on you. I joined the military prior to my senior year. Spent 3 years and 11 months on active duty in the Army. I was wounded during my second deployment and medically retired. I married my wife while going through outprocessing. I finished my last year of school married, with our two children. My wife and I both had to accept financial aid just to pay for daycare while we attended school. I can understand Mo's mind set, to say the least. I believe his situation is a lot different than most when it comes to accepting extra benefits. On the one hand married student athletes have it rough, especially when kids are involved. You would think there would be a rule that would allow them to receive aid from the school in some capacity. But then again you don't want a lot of student athletes "married with kids" just so they can get extra money (saw that in the Army). So I'm not quite sure what the answer is. Just a tough situation.
 
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If more fathers took raising families this seriously - Sure he may have been able to do something differently - VN don't be too harsh, most of us haven't walked in this young man's shoes.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Why couldn't he get an unsecured loan from a credit union for $1,300? They make those kind of loans all the time.
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Wow, great advice. I'm sure a credit union and any number of other financial institutions would be tripping over each other for a chance to extend Mo some unsecured credit.

His only option would have been a title max sleeze outfit that would gladly charge him 200% interest so he could really dig a financial hole. It is BS that these players are pushed to the point that they are willing to jeopardize everything for a measly $1300.

Players at this level are little more than modern day indentured servants. They bust their ass, wreck their bodies, get pushed through motions of 'getting an education,' and most are left with little more than a few memories. Don't give me this 'free education' crap and how they now owe UT for the wonderful opportunity. Most of these guys have been guided through the education system as soon as they showed real talent, as such, academics was never allowed to get in the way of an education. Now is the time to roll out Dobbs but does anyone really believe he is indicative of most student athletes today? College football is a money machine and these kids are the raw material needed to feed that machine.

This is all so we can sit on our cans every saturday and deride them for not winning a damn SEC championship every year.

Oh, and to top it all off, some dip $hit that never stepped foot in a UT class room and sure as hell never left any blood on the field for the Big Orange can then get on message boards and declare player X is not a 'VFL.'

Go Big Orange!
 
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BigTCountry said:
man everyone on here must live life perfect, saying that he shouldnt had a kid or wife, that she should work, this that and the other. Ya'll must have planned your life before it happened and everything worked out perfectly. I think he couldve taken a different avenue, but leave it alone. Theres much worse going on in college money transactions than what he did. Rule is dumb. Especially when it didnt come from the university. and people saying he should work while earning his 4 year degree and taking care of his kids and playing football. Has it been done. Sure. Can anyone and everyone pull off that workload. Hell no. Im in college for electrical engineering and working with a fiance. Theres no way I could do all that. My grades would fall. and no one knows the details of how he came to getting this money, someone obviously advised him to not quit the football team and leave to go back to kansas, your family will have food, so one day you will not be broke and you might be playing in the NFL. He's a young man just like I am in college, and I dont think one person on this forum never has made a mistake.
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I like your post but was really hoping you were the poster named Big Country (without the T), would love to get his view on the situation.
 
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mgu7 said:
Moral of the story: Don't produce kids if you can't afford it. Producing kids at a very young age = recipe for disaster.

But at least he's fathering his kids though. Our tax dollars are supporting too many bastard kids.
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Only an idiot with an agenda would try to draw comparison between a married student athlete with children and a social issue that has nothing to do with Mo. This is about a student athlete who took money. Was he wrong? Yes. I for one am the last person to try to tell someone who can or can't have children. Some of you high horse fans crack me up when u try to mix social issues and sports to let us know where u stand. #fan-atic
 
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chipmurphy461 said:
I played football and ran track for 3 years in college so I understand the time limitations that being an NCAA student/athlete can put on you. I joined the military prior to my senior year. Spent 3 years and 11 months on active duty in the Army. I was wounded during my second deployment and medically retired. I married my wife while going through outprocessing. I finished my last year of school married, with our two children. My wife and I both had to accept financial aid just to pay for daycare while we attended school. I can understand Mo's mind set, to say the least. I believe his situation is a lot different than most when it comes to accepting extra benefits. On the one hand married student athletes have it rough, especially when kids are involved. You would think there would be a rule that would allow them to receive aid from the school in some capacity. But then again you don't want a lot of student athletes "married with kids" just so they can get extra money (saw that in the Army). So I'm not quite sure what the answer is. Just a tough situation.
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I agree with you but I don't think it's fair to not do something because you might see an increase in something. I too was a married student and active duty as well. You're always going to find those who buck the system. The thing is those who do usually fail. Those soldiers in my day who got married for that BAQ and other allowances, if their heart wasn't in the marriage it didn't last long. The NCAA needs to look into these situations perhaps on a case by case basis and look at certain athletes living situation to decide if they're eligible for more benefits. I'd guess that there's not that many actual married student athletes with dependents across Div I football. Now baby mama drama is a whole other animal.
 
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SDV said:
This is harsh, but he knew it was wrong and still did it and jeopardized our entire program over $1,300. He should've quit football and got a job if it were that bad
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That's exactly what he should've done. He knew he was wrong but this was the easiest/quickest fix. He obviously didn't show respect to this team and the program in general. These kids are schooled on the rules and limitations of college athletes in regards to illegal benefits. There are hardships all over the country. I don't mean to sound insensitive, but our program didn't need another black eye.
 
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darkgable said:
Only an idiot with an agenda would try to draw comparison between a married student athlete with children and a social issue that has nothing to do with Mo. This is about a student athlete who took money. Was he wrong? Yes. I for one am the last person to try to tell someone who can or can't have children. Some of you high horse fans crack me up when u try to mix social issues and sports to let us know where u stand. #fan-atic
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It's not a matter of "if" someone should have kids. It's a matter of "when" they should have them...in terms of when one can AFFORD the cost of a child.
 
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1truevol said:
It's not a matter of "if" someone should have kids. It's a matter of "when" they should have them...in terms of when one can AFFORD the cost of a child.
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As the father of a college junior I can tell u if u wait til u can really afford kids u will have to adopt when u retire!:hi: Were there other choices to be made. Maybe... Did Mo make some bad choices absolutely imho, But a young man made a mistake trying to be a good father. That's a dang sight better than Johnny who didn't need money or unc players accepting perks so they could party in south beach. It's not like he went and bought a kilo or something with the money. Wrong decision? Yes! Understandable under circumstances? Yep
 
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Monkey Wrench said:
Why didn't he have them wire it to his wife?
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It wouldn't have done much good. The person who spilled the beans (a former employee at the agency) provided copies of the Western Union receipts. People know Mo Couch's wifes name, or could easily figure it out.
 
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Bottom line players need a choice/dual track when they enter college.

1. Traditional setup- scholarship/student athlete.

2. Semi-pro tract- allow four years to get associates in football. Establish a curriculum that focuses on life skills around football. Player get a stipend for services over and above. No twenty hour cap.

Let's be honest, the NFL also needs to pony up for their free farm system.
 
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fade route said:
BS - no one forced him to get married and have a child while still being a student. There are also many players on the D1 level that are either married, have a child, or both and are not breaking the rules like Mo did.
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How do you know? How do you know that haven't done the exact same thing and just haven't gotten caught? At least he didn't try to rob someone at a gas station for money. It's all opinion on our part because not ONE of us was in his shoes and in his situation. Easy to armchair QB this with no stake in it.
 
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