Recruiting Forum: Football Talk IX

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#7,976
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OB79 - rather than quote your post let me just say that you and I along with several others on here are fully on the same age about all of this and I think your post is a grand slam statement. Thanks for posting.
 
#7,977
#7,977
The biggest disappointment this year remains not buying out Oregon. As soon as we lost to Kentucky in Lexington, Hart should have looked at the future schedule and figured out the best path to get us bowl eligible going forward.

If we buy that out and replace it with a more manageable game, we face a day of negative PR and a whole off season (in 2013) of positive PR as we come off a likely bowl win.
 
#7,978
#7,978
SOOOO......Who will be the big time shocker come NSD? This staff will land one. Too good and will have too much time to really focus on some kids.
 
#7,979
#7,979
Hey OB79, you might not want staff fired but there have been plenty of people calling for coaches to be fired. Especially the OC, DC, WR coach and OL coach. Maybe you missed those posts but they're out there. And putting Bruin on ignore isn't "infantile" it's just smart. You might want to spend all day arguing the color of the sky with him but I certainly don't. I did it for a long time and it's pointless and a waste of time.

And I know you hate my optimism but I'm not going to spend the off season crying about the staff's inability to get this team to a bowl. We lost to Vandy, didn't make a bowl in Butch's first year and it sucks. Boo hoo. The staff deserves blame and so do the players. But it's over. How much longer are we going to complain about it before we focus on this amazing recruiting class and the bright future ahead? Another week, month, all the way up until the next win?
 
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Aesius said:
The biggest disappointment this year remains not buying out Oregon. As soon as we lost to Kentucky in Lexington, Hart should have looked at the future schedule and figured out the best path to get us bowl eligible going forward.

If we buy that out and replace it with a more manageable game, we face a day of negative PR and a whole off season (in 2013) of positive PR as we come off a likely bowl win.
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Hear, hear! This is the truth. Wish we could buy out Oklahoma next year too, for similar reasons.
 
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Burger said:
Tiny won't be a second rounder with all the mental mistakes he makes. He needs to stay. Right now, he is Bruce Campbell, and he was a fourth rounder. Tiny will lose 10's of millions in guarantees if he leaves.
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I don't believe this is true. I want Tiny to stay but I believe he would be a mid first or 2nd rounder if he goes this year. And it wouldn't be 10's of millions in guarantees. The days of rookies getting 35-40 million guaranteed have passed.

#10 overall pick Chance Warmack - 4 yrs, 12.16 million guaranteed

#60 overall pick Robert Alford - 4 yrs, 3.4 million
 
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#7,984
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LaagerVol said:
People on this site constantly mistake someone having a "wait and see" opinion for having a "this staff does no wrong" opinion. I haven't seen anyone saying this actually is the "best staff in America", just reasonable people aren't panicking or making a snap judgement based off this seasons roster.

Just isn't time to make that assessment yet.
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BSIA is Butch's phraseology - not mine or posters on here. That phrase implies a higher standard as those that have NC's have on their resumes. I understand "selling" as he calls it. But when you overhype, the downside fall and repercussions are much worse than they ordinarily would be.

I take it Butch has a tough hide along with his asst. coaches. So the heat they get from fans will only serve to motivate them more, which is a good thing. But for fans and posters to pretend they are covering for him and having his back is childish. Dude was paid at a level in the top 15 HC's in CFB when the season started at over $3 mill per year. My expectations are that he do the job at that level. Recruiting is at that level. His APR and public relations are at that level. His schemes, play calling and development were not at that level. He got outcoached on game day often. So I expect him and the BSIA to step their game up. I am taking the very definition of "wait and see" approach because I believe it will be 3-4 years before we know. We wanted to see progress by the players. We need to see progress by the staff as well.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
Adoree Jackson.
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I agree Ron---I've had a belief Jackson would be our NSD surprise. I also want to agree with you about the stability factor with this staff. I've had to engage idiots on this board on how this team and program are better off with CBJ and his staff. How can anyone at this point suggest more change when we are going to get an impressive recruiting class? I always thought we'd be 6-6 (7-5 if we had some breaks). I wasn't shocked we ended up 5-7---disappointed yes but not shocked.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
Hey OB79, you might not want staff fired but there have been plenty of people calling for coaches to be fired. Especially the OC, DC, WR coach and OL coach. Maybe you missed those posts but they're out there. And putting Bruin on ignore isn't "infantile" it's just smart. You might want to spend all day arguing the color of the sky with him but I certainly don't. I did it for a long time and it's pointless and a waste of time.

And I know you hate my optimism but I'm not going to spend the off season crying about the staff's inability to get this team to a bowl. We lost to Vandy, didn't make a bowl in Butch's first year and it sucks. Boo hoo. The staff deserves blame and so do the players. But it's over. How much longer are we going to complain about it before we focus on this amazing recruiting class and the bright future ahead? Another week, month, all the way up until the next win?
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This is why I like Ron Swanson. No this year wasn't what we hoped for but it isn't reason to go off the deep end either. You all can say all you want, but why would anyone want to live their life in such a negative manner? Call me sunshine pumper or whatever, but I would just rather be positive.
 
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Aesius said:
UF was a good team when we played them. Legitimate top 5 defense.

Their offense, though anemic, was probably still better than ours. I don't think there's any way we win that game, and I'm baffled when people keep referencing it as a missed opportunity.

The only missed opportunity was us not playing them in November.
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That is so funny, wrong but funny. The day we played Florida they were NOT playing like a legit top 5 team, they were playing awful. Their defense played well, but their offense sucked until their second sting QB came in the game.

It seems we forget the game and try to only look at the team... they were a good team BUT NOT THE DAY WE PLAYED THEM

WE WERE JUST WORSE... A true missed opportunity imho
 
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Coastypop said:
That is so funny, wrong but funny. The day we played Florida they were NOT playing like a legit top 5 team, they were playing awful. Their defense played well, but their offense sucked until their second sting QB came in the game.

It seems we forget the game and try to only look at the team... they were a good team BUT NOT THE DAY WE PLAYED THEM

WE WERE JUST WORSE... A true missed opportunity imho
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You do realize they scored 31 pts against us, and our last TD came in garbage time?

Sorry, we're not winning that game in September. It would have been winnable in November though.
 
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Vols4us said:
BSIA is Butch's phraseology - not mine or posters on here. That phrase implies a higher standard as those that have NC's have on their resumes. I understand "selling" as he calls it. But when you overhype, the downside fall and repercussions are much worse than they ordinarily would be.

I take it Butch has a tough hide along with his asst. coaches. So the heat they get from fans will only serve to motivate them more, which is a good thing. But for fans and posters to pretend they are covering for him and having his back is childish. Dude was paid at a level in the top 15 HC's in CFB when the season started at over $3 mill per year. My expectations are that he do the job at that level. Recruiting is at that level. His APR and public relations are at that level. His schemes, play calling and development were not at that level. He got outcoached on game day often. So I expect him and the BSIA to step their game up. I am taking the very definition of "wait and see" approach because I believe it will be 3-4 years before we know. We wanted to see progress by the players. We need to see progress by the staff as well.
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No, from the perspective of the HC, best staff in America implies the group of coaches who understand his vision and can work together to achieve it. You could have a staff made up of 8 coaches with a variety of accolades, but if they can't work together then you will still lose. Lets not forget that both our two previous coaches had national championship rings on their fingers and had assistant coaches with similar achievements. The difference this time is the majority of the current group has won under the current head coach so their ability to make improvements is already a proven fact. My prediction is it will be obvious in the Springtime that the culture is different and improvements are happening.
 
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Burger said:
Tiny won't be a second rounder with all the mental mistakes he makes. He needs to stay. Right now, he is Bruce Campbell, and he was a fourth rounder. Tiny will lose 10's of millions in guarantees if he leaves.
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Don't agree. Plus, Tiny has not been 100% healthy all season. He came off a serious injury heading into the season, and he's had little lingering issues all season. This has most definitely contributed to his performances this season. Moreover, as good as Tiny is, he had a scheme change to adapt to this season. His mental mistakes are what they are, but there are other things to consider.

Even though it sounds like my comments are trying to defend him staying (which are legitimate), I still think he should go if he's graded in the 2nd round. LT's are a huge priority to NFL teams, and his second contract is what's going to count.
 
#7,996
#7,996
The argument about the "best staff in America" has been hashed, re-hashed, and overdone. Whether or not you want to believe it was a term of art or something to take literally, it is time to move on. These are our coaches for now. They had an uphill battle this year with talent, they made some good calls, they made some bad calls, but they are killing it in recruiting. Let's get better, and let's enjoy the ride.
 
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Aesius said:
You do realize they scored 31 pts against us, and our last TD came in garbage time?

Sorry, we're not winning that game in September. It would have been winnable in November though.
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You do realize that says as much about our Defense stinking as it does about their offense... which scored most of those points after their backup QB came in the game which was my first point.

All I am saying is Florida was beatable that day... and we let it get away from us
 
#7,998
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Coastypop said:
You do realize that says as much about our Defense stinking as it does about their offense... which scored most of those points after their backup QB came in the game which was my first point.

All I am saying is Florida was beatable that day... and we let it get away from us
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Coasty ... You are right. That game was winnable. UT could have been the team to put the nail in their coffin.
 
#7,999
#7,999
Freak I don't think I've done this before, but thank you so much for this board. It is years ahead of other boards. I've been messing around looking through the clemson board and it is so so bad. Thank you again for this awesome board.
 
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First off....thanks for the compliments fellas.

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The feels....ooooh the feels.




Secondly, Ron...when have I said I "hate your optimism"? Those words have never left my...err...hands. In fact, I think I've said I admire it. The thing that irks me is your preaching to the masses and rallying the board to quit discussing relevant topics which might not be in the most positive light.

I'll pause for the irony, considering my literary novel of a post earlier.






That should do it.

Here's the thing, if you don't like someone's moaning, don't read them. Granted, Bruin went crazy for a few weeks and took over entire threads but you went postal in the opposite direction--you rallied the RF against him and lobbied for people to put him on ignore as if he was the gestapo, spreading propaganda--all the while having an almost equal amount of posts as he did during that time.

He was incessant and, at times, annoying but you were violating the very same principle you were rallying against.

How's that any different?


Now, I must've missed the posts where people were calling for heads to roll after the season. I don't have as much time to peruse the board as I used to but, I'll say this regarding the subject...

There are coaches that might be available over the next few months that I'd like to have, in lieu of a few staff members of our own. That doesn't mean we should start shopping for new coaches...or that I'm even right. I think continuity on the staff is an under appreciated aspect and I'd like to afford them the opportunity to see if they can succeed.

As far as my posts on the outcome of the season...it just ended. And yes, I'm disappointed about it, especially the VU loss. It's been six years since we've been relevant in the SEC and I've reached my threshold for losing.

The "wait 'til next year" mantra has been recited (by me) over and over and again since the end of the Outback Bowl in 2006. My posts have no agenda, they're as objective as I can be as a life-long, orange-blooded Tennessean who has come to expect more from the administration, on down.

I invite criticism to my ramblings, don't expect others to always agree with my opinions, nor to I cater to other's, but my posts where I lament on things like the VU loss or this season or whatever you consider to be "crying" are often cathartic but interspersed with a little humor.

If my posts aren't to your liking, ignore them...or me. But I'm not going to stop posting my thoughts, positive or otherwise, because you don't want to hear them.
 
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