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Ok, I see that.

Well, I think what he was trying to say is that given what we know now, seeing how much better the team was under Worley and how much Dobbs struggled, do you not think it affects how you judge the success of the season?

Basically given the circumstances at QB and the fact that we were only favored in 5 games and won 5, it seems like we met expectations, at least.

I am with you in that 5 wins wasn't a terrible season. However IMO there is no way to deny losing to vandy put the season just below the measuring stick.

I think the season was a strike but as I stated in another thread it was a strike fouled straight back.(for non baseball posters that means it was a pitched just missed and hitting a HR on the next pitch is much more likely)
 
Ok, I see that.

Well, I think what he was trying to say is that given what we know now, seeing how much better the team was under Worley and how much Dobbs struggled, do you not think it affects how you judge the success of the season?

Basically given the circumstances at QB and the fact that we were only favored in 5 games and won 5, it seems like we met expectations, at least.

My expectations are never this low. 5 wins makes me sick to my stomach.

I wasn't looking for a predefined number of wins. I was looking for two things Dooley never gave us:

1. I wanted to see the kids fight until the end. Never give up. I believe these kids truly gave their all in most games.

2. I really wanted to see us win some games we weren't supposed to win and outcoach the other team. I can't think of a single game where I felt like we outcoached the other guys. The GA game was pretty good but GA was so beat up, it was hard to tell. The whole season from a coaching perspective didn't pass the 'smell test'.

I'm not burning mattresses or calling for Butch's head. Heck, they may come out next year and coach like rock stars.

This year .... not so much. JMO.
 
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I am with you in that 5 wins wasn't a terrible season. However IMO there is no way to deny losing to vandy put the season just below the measuring stick.

I think the season was a strike but as I stated in another thread it was a strike fouled straight back.(for non baseball posters that means it was a pitched just missed and hitting a HR on the next pitch is much more likely)

The way Vandy beat us this year though is something to consider. A poorly officiated game this year as opposed a pure ass kicking last year.
 
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However, it may be the last time a college football coach attends the TSSAA’s award presentation.

TSSAA executive director Bernard Childress made it clear that college recruitment has no place for the high school association’s awards luncheon when asked about the guests afterward.

“We just think this is a special time for kids, and not a place for recruiting,” Childress said.

TSSAA frowns on UT, Clemson attending the Mr. Football luncheon | The Tennessean | tennessean.com

I agree with mr Childress
 
The way Vandy beat us this year though is something to consider. A poorly officiated game this year as opposed a pure ass kicking last year.

Agreed. It was a very different game than last year.

Perhaps it isn't fair to judge an entire season on one overturned play.
 
The way Vandy beat us this year though is something to consider. A poorly officiated game this year as opposed a pure ass kicking last year.

Agreed. But a loss is a loss. It still stings.

And pisses me off.

A win in that game makes this season easier to stomach. We can overlook some of the issues from earlier in the year, become bowl eligible, and carry some momentum into next year. A loss made it a failure.

Losing to Franklin two years in a row is unforgiveable. I hate that smug SOB.
 
Tiny on Facebook (don't judge me)

"decisions, decisions"

Sounds like he has something on his mind. :question:
Honestly IDK what I would do if I was him.

On one hand he isn't going to get drafted nearly as highly as I think he could be with another year. On the other another year of the wear and tear of SEC play could take a year off his pro career. I think if he stays he likely can work his way into the top ten pick and secure around 20 million over 4 years. Right now he's late first, early second and looking at most of his pay day coming on a second contract.
 
Agreed. But a loss is a loss. It still stings.

And pisses me off.

A win in that game makes this season easier to stomach. We can overlook some of the issues from earlier in the year, become bowl eligible, and carry some momentum into next year. A loss made it a failure.

Losing to Franklin two years in a row is unforgiveable. I hate that smug SOB.

Trust me...I am not/wasn't happy about it. I drank myself into oblivion that night. I hate James Franklin so much.
 
The prevailing thought was one of the freshmen would start by midseason. There is no denying that the majority felt that way in the preseason.

Now with that happening those same posters are claiming that it someone should have changed predictions. Silly IMO

I'd add that I think there is a difference in a freshman 'taking over' the job via practice performance, film study, leadership, etc and being forced into the job because of injuries.
 
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Honestly IDK what I would do if I was him.

On one hand he isn't going to get drafted nearly as highly as I think he could be with another year. On the other another year of the wear and tear of SEC play could take a year off his pro career. I think if he stays he likely can work his way into the top ten pick and secure around 20 million over 4 years. Right now he's late first, early second and looking at most of his pay day coming on a second contract.

Jawuan James passed up the payday last year to come back after a sit down with Butch. You better believe Tiny and Juwuan have had/are having conversations about this.

Now this is pure speculation, but I bet if Tiny asked James if it was worth it, he would say "Absolutely. I'd come back again if I could."

JMO. I know nothing. LOL
 
Honestly IDK what I would do if I was him.

On one hand he isn't going to get drafted nearly as highly as I think he could be with another year. On the other another year of the wear and tear of SEC play could take a year off his pro career. I think if he stays he likely can work his way into the top ten pick and secure around 20 million over 4 years. Right now he's late first, early second and looking at most of his pay day coming on a second contract.

I assume he's got a reasonable insurance policy. If so, it may cover him enough to offset the lower draft position at the moment -- if that's even real. I've seen mock drafts that had him in the low 20's. Neither of the ESPN guys have him in the first round.

If the insurance policy is enough to cover the money lost if he got a low first or early second round grade, I would take chance and come back to UT. As you said, it could be a $20M decision for him.
 
If he gets anywhere from round 2 or lower grade he has to leave.

Get to his 2nd contract as fast as possible.

LT is a high priority in the NFL
 
If he gets anywhere from round 2 or lower grade he has to leave.

Get to his 2nd contract as fast as possible.

LT is a high priority in the NFL

Tiny won't be a second rounder with all the mental mistakes he makes. He needs to stay. Right now, he is Bruce Campbell, and he was a fourth rounder. Tiny will lose 10's of millions in guarantees if he leaves.
 
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Tiny won't be a second rounder with all the mental mistakes he makes. He needs to stay. Right now, he is Bruce Campbell, and he was a fourth rounder. Tiny will lose 10's of millions in guarantees if he leaves.

SMH....
I love how we talk about how one of our guys shouldn't go pro because he has some fatal flaws....but hey, you're so awesome we want you to come back...confusing as heck

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I've been thinking some about all this coaching staff talk going on here since the end of the season. There are obvious holes in this staff's approach, particulary at each coordinator position. I think few of us would deny that, although most of us are willing to see what they can do with some better horses. And that's legit. But, concerning Butch and the staff, here are three questions we wanted addressed at the beginning of the season:

1. Could we win the games we were supposed to? Check! We beat AP, WKU, SA, and UK.

2. Could we win the toss-up games? Negative! However, in all honesty, I think Vandy proved to be the only certain toss-up game on our schedule this year, considering how AU and Mizzou took off.

3. Could we snag one we weren't supposed to? Check! Beat SC. Oregon, UGA, Bama, Mizzou, and AU escaped us. Obviously, in the last three of those mentioned UT was woeful and their play concerning.

Where to place UF in this list is still what baffles me. I'm still torn between 2. and 3. UF's season would suggest they were a toss-up, but I'm not sure they were at the time we played.

All things considered, giving our talent, not a bad job. Not exceptional, but we did about as well as could reasonably be expected I suppose. Once the horses get here, I expect more of these games to turn in our favor. SEC or Natty title? That's another question. We'll see.
 
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Agreed. But a loss is a loss. It still stings.

And pisses me off.

A win in that game makes this season easier to stomach. We can overlook some of the issues from earlier in the year, become bowl eligible, and carry some momentum into next year. A loss made it a failure.

Losing to Franklin two years in a row is unforgiveable. I hate that smug SOB.

With ya Mike.

If you want to be the coach at the University of Tennessee long term, which is what I hope CBJ wants, you dont lose to vu or ky.
 
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Can you at least agree that fans opening day predictions are not usually very accurate and shouldn't be the primary meausuring stick on how coaches should be evaluated?

The prevailing thought was one of the freshmen would start by midseason. There is no denying that the majority felt that way in the preseason.

Now with that happening those same posters are claiming that it someone should have changed predictions. Silly IMO

Sure but Ron is the one bringing up preseason predictions and then claiming they would have been lower is we knew dobbs would be the starter by mid season

This is why putting Bruin on ignore is infantile. He may make mountains out of mole hills and relentlessly fight to prove his point but, these are great points and illustrate why this season was a disappointment.

I recall the VAST majority of posters saying that a season with no bowl game was going to be a failure, before the season started...combined with the thought/prediction that many freshmen would play along the way.

Now people are "getting tired" of posters holding the staff up to the exact same prediction/expectation.

Let's be clear about one thing: the phrases "year one for this staff was a failure" and "let's FAHR THE WHOLE STAFF" are NOT one in the same.

It's called accountability.

It does NOT mean the staff has lost my support.
It does NOT mean that I do not believe they can't, or won't, get it done.
It does NOT mean that I do not take all factors about the season into consideration.

The task of getting this team WAS NOT easy but was it too much to expect this staff and team to improve upon the previous three years???

Would anyone argue that CBJ is a better coach than Dooley? And, that being said, would anyone then dare to say that the expected results MIGHT be better, this year? I don't think that was an unreasonable expectation.

Now that the end of the season is here, and the results are the same as the previous years, it is absolutely FAIR to say that the results are disappointing and that we failed to meet our objective. That is the very definition of failure.

It IS NOT a statement on the staff AS A WHOLE, it's a statement about th SEASON as a whole.

The way Vandy beat us this year though is something to consider. A poorly officiated game this year as opposed a pure ass kicking last year.

Rationalizing a loss by saying the officials played a role is exactly what Vandy fans used to do when they lost to UT.

They won, no excuses. It doesn't warrant anyone being fired or even put them on the hot seat (no one is saying that, btw) but pretending like it's not a black mark on this staff's tenure, so far, is the type of attitude that many players on the roster had, that absolutely shocked this staff when they took over.

I think that's why we've seen so many of the incoming players be so vocal, they're coming in with same the mindset that used to the status quo on the Hill--at the direction of this staff, Jones specifically.

Lastly...my issues with his staff are (1) failure to go bowling this year, (2) being out-coached by and losing to Vanderbilt, and (3) whether the identity of this staff is the one that coached versus UGA & SC or the one that coached versus Mizzou, Vandy, and Florida. Those are fair concerns and criticisms.

However:

(1) I believe this staff will recruit ELITE prospects and restore the level of talent to a level which could and should compete for SEC titles.

(2) I believe we will have a MUCH clearer understanding of the X's and O's ability of this staff when that talent arrives.

and...

(3) I believe this staff will have four seasons to prove their worth.

Carry on...
 
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