Christmas Toy Drive Cancelled (Athiest Threatens Lawsuit)

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It goes a lot of ways. Like it or not the US is a Christian nation. The problem is Christians being tolerant isn't enough.

I'll give you it was founded by at least mostly Christian men, but these same men were smart enough to create a separation between church and state. Religion is a subject that is rarely seen through rational eyes, the problem being each side believes they are the rational ones and everyone else irrational.
 
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Tolerance.........goes both ways.

Yes, it does. Those that believe should be tolerant of those that don't, and those that don't believe should be tolerant of those that do.
 
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I'm not religious at all, (believe fully in separation of church and state), but activist atheist doing something like this bothers me just as much as activist Christians trying to get organized prayer in public schools. This is just a cheap battle to take a stand on.
 
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As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion. Nice catchy phrase from the treaty.
 
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Reading through their website, it's a little difficult to get a feel for what their primary focus really is.

This seems very favorable and straightforward...
The Humanist of the Year award was established in 1953 to recognize a person of national or international reputation who, through the application of humanist values, has made a significant contribution to the improvement of the human condition.

This is fine as well, although it strikes me as a rather perplexing statement (e.g. who thinks being good, without a God, is unacceptable?).
We strive to bring about a progressive society where being good without a god is an accepted way to live life.

And other statements seem a little odd as well (e.g. I didn't realize nontheists did not have equality).
The mission of the American Humanist Association is to advance humanism, an ethical and life-affirming philosophy free of belief in any gods and other supernatural forces. Advocating for equality for nontheists and a society guided by reason...

And then finally, from their FAQ's page...
Is the AHA trying to destroy religion and replace it with secularism?

No. There is no conspiracy by humanists to force people to reject religion. We do take philosophical issue with beliefs of religious followers.

Why take issue with something that you don't believe in? If it doesn't really bother you, then why not let some kids benefit from a little Christmas giving?
 
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Reading through their website, it's a little difficult to get a feel for what their primary focus really is.

This seems very favorable and straightforward...


This is fine as well, although it strikes me as a rather perplexing statement (e.g. who thinks being good, without a God, is unacceptable?).


And other statements seem a little odd as well (e.g. I didn't realize nontheists did not have equality).


And then finally, from their FAQ's page...


Why take issue with something that you don't believe in? If it doesn't really bother you, then why not let some kids benefit from a little Christmas giving?

What the group did in this situation was wrong IMO. Kids shouldn't be punished for what this group believes. But to answer your question about why they would take issue with what others believe, despite what some may think, what others believe can effect the lives of others. Take a look at the world we live in. Do you believe in jihadism? If you don't, do you take issue with it?
 
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I see we're building up to the regular taking christ our of Xmas time of year.

Nah... that's not really my style Sly. There's plenty of Christians who, inadvertently or not, take Christ out of Christmas themselves.

But why take the joy out of Christmas. Even if one doesn't believe in Jesus, even AHA (based on their own website) believes in doing good in the absence of a god.
 
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What the group did in this situation was wrong IMO. Kids shouldn't be punished for what this group believes. But to answer your question about why they would take issue with what others believe, despite what some may think, what others believe can effect the lives of others. Take a look at the world we live in. Do you believe in jihadism? If you don't, do you take issue with it?

I don't believe in it, but I don't take issue with it either... at least not as a religion. On the other hand, I do take issue with violence but have those same issues with violence relative to all religions.
 
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Nah... that's not really my style Sly. There's plenty of Christians who, inadvertently or not, take Christ out of Christmas themselves.

But why take the joy out of Christmas. Even if one doesn't believe in Jesus, even AHA (based on their own website) believes in doing good in the absence of a god.

I like the season. People are much nicer and friendlier at that time of year. I like the music that goes with it, too.
 
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They don't even know why it was abbreviated to begin with.

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